Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
Forum rules
Do not post safe related questions in this sub forum! Post them in This Old Safe

The sub forum you are currently in is for asking Beginner Hobby Lock Picking questions only.

Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby s0u1h4ck3r » 4 Jan 2017 2:50

Is this something I should invest time into learning?
Wil it benefit my picking skill in any way?
I do understand that from a economic perspective it would save me money because I can just make myself a "new" lock whenever I want. But other than that I can't see how it can improve my picking skills.
Knowing exactly what and where every pin is should make the lock easier to pick and will not help me in a competition situation for example.
Wil it not be better to learn how to develop a feel for what is going on inside the locks?
Am I missing something here?
s0u1h4ck3r
 
Posts: 29
Joined: 28 Sep 2016 12:22
Location: Norway

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby Silverado » 4 Jan 2017 7:43

I feel like taking them apart and reassembling them helps with developing an understanding of how the locks work. Sometimes it's more tangible when you are staring right at it. Also, you get to see things that you obviously felt while picking it...is it old and worn out, or were the chambers counter-milled or threaded... Can't see those things unless you disassemble. Same with security pins, you can't always be certain those tough pins were a specific type unless you get a good look at it.
"If you are not currently on a government watch list. You are doing something wrong" - GWiens2001
User avatar
Silverado
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 522
Joined: 16 Jun 2016 6:59
Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby MiPo » 4 Jan 2017 8:14

I always find it interesting and valuable to verify my feeling when picking with the actual content in the lock. It helps me to get a better understanding of how pins / chambers work and behave. Also you can do progressive pinning (having more and more chambers populated) when learning a specific lock. Also sometimes when I have trouble with a lock I disassemble it and stick the pick in the plug with the key pins still in it and see if I overset pins or how the pick accesses the back pins. It's just an additional learning aid.
Also it makes fun and sometimes I'm surprised what they put in commercial locks.
Less talented, but patient and persevering.
User avatar
MiPo
 
Posts: 75
Joined: 10 Jul 2015 15:09
Location: Germany

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby tpark » 4 Jan 2017 9:53

After opening a lock, it is worthwhile seeing what's inside to understand how the pinning/behavior of the lock is related to its configuration. Creating custom pinnings allows you to practice on extreme low-high combinations, and test various picks against that combination. There are other benefits as you can make keys, clean the lock and replace parts as needed.
tpark
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 273
Joined: 11 Nov 2015 14:11

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby s0u1h4ck3r » 4 Jan 2017 13:18

Thanks for the helpful answers :)
I was really missing something:P The reasons you gave for learning to re-pin a lock really makes sense to me now.
s0u1h4ck3r
 
Posts: 29
Joined: 28 Sep 2016 12:22
Location: Norway

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby Temple » 11 Jan 2017 10:41

It's also good, if you can, to take the lock apart before you pick it. After you have picked it a few times take it apart and look at it again. Look for any damage or wear your picking technique may be causing.

I didn't see it mentioned in previous responses but while it's apart it's also a good time to clean and lube the internals.
"An explosion may be defined as a loud noise accompanied by the
sudden going away of things from the places where they were before."
Temple
 
Posts: 58
Joined: 22 May 2006 6:51
Location: Liberal KS.

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby OrMeanGene » 12 Jan 2017 22:45

Just another idea on improving skills repinning. If you're repinning it random to practice, just have a friend or significant other throw the pins in for you. Then you dont know where anything is. Another option is finding a local meetup or buddy who is into picking to make challenge locks to trade back and forth. Get competitive and it will push you to be creative and learn new things.

Plus like others mentioned you see the inner workings. The more you know, GI Joe.
"Insert something pretentious here "
User avatar
OrMeanGene
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 167
Joined: 14 Nov 2016 15:43
Location: Portland, Oregon

Re: Benefits of disassembling and re pinning a lock?

Postby RedE » 12 Jan 2017 23:31

If you know someone with the appropriate tools, one way you can really improve the picking difficulty of the lock is to rekey it to a high-low bitting as tpark said. In the photo below is an example of how I took an LSDA Sargent cylinder and rekeyed it to not so picking-friendly combination. It definitely requires a large hook to reach those shallow cuts in between the deeper ones!
Image
RedE
 
Posts: 148
Joined: 7 Dec 2016 0:51
Location: Ontario


Return to Got Questions? - Ask Beginner Hobby Lockpicking Questions Here

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 3 guests