Question about S&G 833

[Squelchtone]

Then I'm really lost. a 3mm - even crimped - is still too large, and a 1/8" is even larger than that. 3/32" is too small. I've got a dremel so I'm ready to cut whatever but the diameter is not working with me here.

Last I took one apart my pliers were able to just grab the pin and slide it out of the shackle, its not suppose to be so tight that it never comes out again. Bring the shackle to home depot or NAPA auto parts or Ace hardware and try some roll pins from the boxes of roll pins they sell, buy the one that you can push in with you fingers and then tap in the rest of the way with a screw driver handle, trim the ends as needed with sidecutters or hacksaw or on a grinding wheel. I wouldnt focus on the exact inch or millimeter just get what fits snugly in there.

[Eazy123]

Then I'm really lost. a 3mm - even crimped - is still too large, and a 1/8" is even larger than that. 3/32" is too small. I've got a dremel so I'm ready to cut whatever but the diameter is not working with me here.

Last I took one apart my pliers were able to just grab the pin and slide it out of the shackle, its not suppose to be so tight that it never comes out again. Bring the shackle to home depot or NAPA auto parts or Ace hardware and try some roll pins from the boxes of roll pins they sell, buy the one that you can push in with you fingers and then tap in the rest of the way with a screw driver handle, trim the ends as needed with sidecutters or hacksaw or on a grinding wheel. I wouldnt focus on the exact inch or millimeter just get what fits snugly in there.

That's what I did. At Ace too. Tried every size they had. Everything was either too big or too small. I almost wonder if I should get the too small size and open it up a bit. Will check an auto part shop. I've gotta be missing something.

[Eazy123]

Nothing at the auto shop that Ace didn't have. I've tried every metric and imperial size, and broken two pin punches trying to get them in.. I'm just going to leave a taper pin in there for now since that's the only thing that will fit.

[G-lock]

You should not have to do this if you find the correct roll pin but, you could always take your dremel and a vice & make the roll pin smaller in diameter or you could use the same tool to make the hole in the shackle a little bigger.

[Squelchtone]

I have opened a ticket with S&G asking them what size your roll pin is.

will get back to you when I hear from them
Squelchtone

[G-lock]

The roll pin on my 833 is 110 thousandths .110 thick. He is correct it is bigger than 3/32" but smaller than 3mm. Mine is also solid and not hollow. 110 thousandths is about 2.8 mm. I would dremel down a 3mm pin.

[Eazy123]

I have opened a ticket with S&G asking them what size your roll pin is.

will get back to you when I hear from them
Squelchtone

Thanks, but I did that too. They told me they no longer make them and couldn't tell me.

The roll pin on my 833 is 110 thousandths .110 thick. He is correct it is bigger than 3/32" but smaller than 3mm. Mine is also solid and not hollow. 110 thousandths is about 2.8 mm. I would dremel down a 3mm pin.

Thanks for that info. Any pic I've seen of the roll pin didn't show the cut, so I had wondered if it was in fact a roll pin or a standard pin. My dad suggested drilling the hole ever so slightly wider (he has this huge set of these really odd-sized bits) to accomodate a 3mm pin, but I may just dremel down a 3mm pin.

I was thinking I was going nuts, not being able to get anything to fit! They must have had some kind of custom pins in production.

[Squelchtone]

I have opened a ticket with S&G asking them what size your roll pin is.

will get back to you when I hear from them
Squelchtone

Thanks, but I did that too. They told me they no longer make them and couldn't tell me.

grr.. thanks for mentioning it earlier I guess I'll keep mine open to see what they say, and the new 951 uses the same part so it's strange that they cant tell you..

[Eazy123]

I have opened a ticket with S&G asking them what size your roll pin is.

will get back to you when I hear from them
Squelchtone

Thanks, but I did that too. They told me they no longer make them and couldn't tell me.

grr.. thanks for mentioning it earlier I guess I'll keep mine open to see what they say, and the new 951 uses the same part so it's strange that they cant tell you..

I'm sorry! I didn't want to keep bumping my post with every little thing I tried as I did them, lol.

[indigoalpha6]

A little late to the party but roll pins are oversize and when installed they compress. They are designed to use the "spring" of the roll to stay put in a hole. Try McMaster-Carr for pins if S&G doesn't come through. Also, since that shackle is hardened, trying to drill the hole bigger going to be very difficult for a DIYer. Roll pins are best inserted with an arbor press and a driver.

[Eazy123]

A little late to the party but roll pins are oversize and when installed they compress. They are designed to use the "spring" of the roll to stay put in a hole. Try McMaster-Carr for pins if S&G doesn't come through. Also, since that shackle is hardened, trying to drill the hole bigger going to be very difficult for a DIYer. Roll pins are best inserted with an arbor press and a driver.

According to G-Lock, they're solid. I'm assuming there aren't solid roll pins?

My dad actually did drill the hole very, very, very slightly bigger and the plan was to go up in very small increments. Something came up and we had to call it a day but I'm going back there tomorrow so we'll see what works.

[tpark]

Then I'm really lost. a 3mm - even crimped - is still too large, and a 1/8" is even larger than that. 3/32" is too small. I've got a dremel so I'm ready to cut whatever but the diameter is not working with me here.

Maybe put your 3mm pin in a drill and use sandpaper to grind it down a touch. That might work and enable you to get your lock back together.

[Eazy123]

Then I'm really lost. a 3mm - even crimped - is still too large, and a 1/8" is even larger than that. 3/32" is too small. I've got a dremel so I'm ready to cut whatever but the diameter is not working with me here.

Maybe put your 3mm pin in a drill and use sandpaper to grind it down a touch. That might work and enable you to get your lock back together.

That's not a bad idea, either. Thanks!

[indigoalpha6]

I'm assuming there aren't solid roll pins?

correct. solid pins are, well.. solid, and roll pins are made from spring and/or stainless steel, hollow, and with a small gap or seam down the side.

there is another type of pin as well a "coiled spring pin" and people often get these confused with roll pins. they look like a Little Debby Swiss Cake Roll. Coiled up thin sheet material rolled up into a pin. Not as flexible as a roll pin nor as solid as a standard pin. hope this makes sense.

[Eazy123]

I'm assuming there aren't solid roll pins?

correct. solid pins are, well.. solid, and roll pins are made from spring and/or stainless steel, hollow, and with a small gap or seam down the side.

there is another type of pin as well a "coiled spring pin" and people often get these confused with roll pins. they look like a Little Debby Swiss Cake Roll. Coiled up thin sheet material rolled up into a pin. Not as flexible as a roll pin nor as solid as a standard pin. hope this makes sense.

Makes perfect sense! I've seen those - they look like a spiral from the ends - my local Ace is the only Ace I've ever seen that has metric roll pins as well as coiled spring pins. I'd even debated getting an undersized coil pin and somehow "uncoiling" it to size but those things are VERY tightly wound.