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How S&G 4400s Work

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How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 5 Feb 2017 10:40

For anyone interested, present or future, in how the S&G 4400 series works, etc. here is an article I wrote on the S&G 4440, 4442, 4443, 4444.
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Jacob Morgan » 5 Feb 2017 11:32

Thanks for the article, very informative. Looking at the picture of the lock, it looks like turning the guard key, pulling the renter nose, and fishing the bolt back would be the way to go if the bank needed it opened?
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby ratlock » 5 Feb 2017 13:02

Great article, and I liked your site.

was looking at the woodstaining article on your site, and may I suggest another way. I used to teach joinery, and when an old pattern maker told me about this, I thought he must be nuts.

potassium permanganate crystals mixed with water. Then the solution brushed , or applied with a cloth onto the wood.

When you first brush it on, as expected it all looks horrible purple, then slowly starts to oxidise brown. You can re apply as many times as you like, to get a darker colour.

Once its dry, flatten the grain with fine wire wool, then varnish, laquer, or wax over it.

Its cheap, easy to get a colour match, and dosent leave brush marks that oil based stains somtimes do.

I liked the article, and the site.
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby GWiens2001 » 5 Feb 2017 13:42

Jacob Morgan wrote:Thanks for the article, very informative. Looking at the picture of the lock, it looks like turning the guard key, pulling the renter nose, and fishing the bolt back would be the way to go if the bank needed it opened?


That is the usual way.

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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 5 Feb 2017 13:55

ratlock wrote:Great article, and I liked your site.

was looking at the woodstaining article on your site, and may I suggest another way. I used to teach joinery, and when an old pattern maker told me about this, I thought he must be nuts.

potassium permanganate crystals mixed with water. Then the solution brushed , or applied with a cloth onto the wood.

When you first brush it on, as expected it all looks horrible purple, then slowly starts to oxidise brown. You can re apply as many times as you like, to get a darker colour.

Once its dry, flatten the grain with fine wire wool, then varnish, laquer, or wax over it.

Its cheap, easy to get a colour match, and dosent leave brush marks that oil based stains somtimes do.

I liked the article, and the site.


Wow. I am going to try that. Thank you.

Jacob Morgan wrote:Looking at the picture of the lock, it looks like turning the guard key, pulling the renter nose, and fishing the bolt back would be the way to go if the bank needed it opened?


See GWiens2001's message.
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Enerostar83 » 24 Feb 2017 23:24

I don't know if you can help me, but is there a device that allows you to lock out these type of locks?

Here's a picture of what I'm looking for http://imgur.com/KbXCqOh
http://imgur.com/ovhDHPu
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby GWiens2001 » 25 Feb 2017 1:12

Enerostar83 wrote:I don't know if you can help me, but is there a device that allows you to lock out these type of locks?

Here's a picture of what I'm looking for http://imgur.com/KbXCqOh
http://imgur.com/ovhDHPu


Yeah, one of these ought to do it...

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Those things you pictured - are you looking to acquire those, or are you trying to prevent the use of that locking device?

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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 25 Feb 2017 10:41

Enerostar83 wrote:I don't know if you can help me, but is there a device that allows you to lock out these type of locks?

Here's a picture of what I'm looking for http://imgur.com/KbXCqOh
http://imgur.com/ovhDHPu


Perhaps. Timemaster used to (maybe still does?) sell those. They're called "D-Blockers".

They're intended for boxes sealed due to court order, IRS, etc.
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Enerostar83 » 27 Feb 2017 22:00

Tyler J. Thomas wrote:
Enerostar83 wrote:I don't know if you can help me, but is there a device that allows you to lock out these type of locks?

Here's a picture of what I'm looking for http://imgur.com/KbXCqOh
http://imgur.com/ovhDHPu


Perhaps. Timemaster used to (maybe still does?) sell those. They're called "D-Blockers".

They're intended for boxes sealed due to court order, IRS, etc.

I am looking to acquire them. I work in an accounting office where employees are issued house banks. If I find them it would be to lock them out so that they could be audited easier. One of my old jobs used them.
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Re: How S&G 4400s Work

Postby Mudman » 28 Feb 2017 0:56

Thanks for sharing, very interesting read. I'm going to have to read it a few times to fully understand. So much to learn
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