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Evva 4KS

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Evva 4KS

Postby ARF-GEF » 8 Oct 2016 15:05

Hey Guys!

So it seems the rumours were true in this case: EVVA introduced the successor to the 3KS+ (and the 3ks obviously :D), shockingly named 4KS :D .
The basic concept stayed the same. 3ks meant 3 Kurven System =3 curve system, and now adding a 4th track: 4 Kurven System.

Here's what changes I gathered:
The 4th track is a "hidden" (it's quite easy to spot once you know what to look for...) and in the one I saw there is only 1 slider checking it. The number of sliders stayed the same (12-12 per side).
The key seems to be a bit thicker, less pointy, with more rounded off, thicker ends (the keyhead's design was also updated to fit into the current line).
They only seem to make the modular version which includes the anti-snap hard metal bridge. Old 3ks+ had optional modular build.
It seems to me that they may come with higher standard drill resistance, though I have to admit I'm still confused at times, there are many options and different offers in different markets.
There is definitely a heavily reinforced version now. You can opt for the SKG3 star level, which I believe is a meaningful and serious recommendation. (Though this was introduced in later 3ks+ models as well.)

So to sum it up it's not a big change. They made the modification to stay ahead of the curve in patent protection (4ks keys are protected by patent until 2035, 3ks+ "only" until 2025).

My opinion is that the lock was very good before and it's still very good. If you get the SKG3*(/BSI) version, than it's a big step forward in the physical resistance area.
Picking-wise: I see no change, it doesn't matter which track or how many tracks raise the sliders. IMO they are pretty much unpickable in real life circumstances, apart from special "CIA" stuff and so on.
I've seen 2 guys pick one with fiber glass lighting and etc., but they literally practised several days (if not weeks) just on that particular lock and would have to pretty much start from 0 picking an unknown lock they don't already know inside out. I think that they are light-years harder than most locks and noone will ever pick them on a door even in high risk environment.

Here's the official site:
http://www.evva.at/products/mechanical-locking-systems/4ks-locking-system/4ks/en/

If you know more or disagree don't hesitate to post :)
And gentlemen the race begins to add one to your respective collections :D
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby ARF-GEF » 8 Oct 2016 15:06

(Fun fact Kurve is dangerously close to the word in many eastern European languages so avoid shouting it on the street if it's possible.)
(For newbies: old system: 2 outer curves are parallel. There are the 1 pinned sliders checking the deeper middle curve, and 2 shallower parallel curves checked by 2-pinned sliders. Now there is a 4th, even deeper curve. The 6-6 sliders on the 2 sides allow the sidebar to slide in if placed and kept in the correct height. The key is symmetric, at the edge there is a milling checked by a passive bar from below.)
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby kwoswalt99- » 8 Oct 2016 15:33

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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby Squelchtone » 8 Oct 2016 19:18

Lol at shouting Kurwa!
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby Robotnik » 8 Oct 2016 20:47

Squelchtone wrote:Lol at shouting Kurwa!


I've shouted that at locks before. For sure.
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby GWiens2001 » 9 Oct 2016 10:49

Can hardly see where the fourth line is.

Appreciate the pics and info, ARF-GEF. :)

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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby huxleypig » 10 Oct 2016 20:09

Good work ARF! I am pretty sure that there are several ways to get through the 3KS and the new 4KS but great lock for sure. I like a lot of Evva's work.
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby DangerDane » 3 Mar 2017 8:42

If I already have the 3KS, is there really any compelling reason to upgrade to the 4KS?
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby GWiens2001 » 3 Mar 2017 9:15

DangerDane wrote:If I already have the 3KS, is there really any compelling reason to upgrade to the 4KS?


I can't think of one. If someone can pick a 3KS or 3KS+, then they can undoubtedly pick a 4KS. And there are very few who can pick the 3KS. Have only picked one, and that was sheer luck on my part.

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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby ARF-GEF » 3 Mar 2017 16:54

I agree with Gordon, I don't think average people need to upgrade.
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby ARF-GEF » 3 Mar 2017 16:55

Oh and I'm glad you guys like it, I'm also a fan of Evva locks :)
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby GWiens2001 » 3 Mar 2017 17:31

ARF-GEF wrote:Oh and I'm glad you guys like it, I'm also a fan of Evva locks :)


ARF!!!

Good to see you back here in the ghetto. :D

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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby MacGnG1 » 3 Mar 2017 23:06

Here is the direct link to the YT for the lock:

https://youtu.be/IHm2Urr5SWI
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby DangerDane » 9 Mar 2017 15:09

I am a fan of EVVA too, I have both the MCS and the 3KS systems :P
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Re: Evva 4KS

Postby aardbewoner1 » 17 Mar 2017 6:53

I had the 3ks for my house to ,replaced them because the old 3ks (i had ) was to easy to core pull in my eyes.
The do make good locks :) so replaced them with evva :)
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