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by GWiens2001 » 26 Feb 2017 19:28
Recently got a BiLock from a great member in Australia, adi_picker. Replaced the QCC core, and now the padlock is fully functional. But when I thought about it, realized don't recall seeing a post here on how to operate a BiLock QCC (Quick Change Core) here. So time to fix that. Here is the padlock with the keys. The all red key is the control key, the black and red key is the user key. You can tell the control key by the dimple on either side of the key between the first and second cuts of the key. This allows the ball bearings in the core to slide into the keyway, so if the core is oriented correctly, the core can come out.  Unlike many other brands of padlocks, this BiLock padlock, when locked, has the keyway oriented perpendicular to the body of the lock.  OK, put in the user key.  Turn the key 90 degrees, then pull out the shackle. It does not have a spring-loaded shackle, so does not pop up by itself.  OK, now lock it again, and put in the control key.  Turn it just under 1/8 of a turn.  Then pull the key outwards, and the core will come with it.   And now the lock is hanging above my computer.  Thanks, adi!  Gordon
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by G-lock » 26 Feb 2017 21:06
Is it just the picture or is that bilock bigger than the chubb & almost as big as that mul t lock e18? 
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by GWiens2001 » 26 Feb 2017 21:12
G-lock wrote:Is it just the picture or is that bilock bigger than the chubb & almost as big as that mul t lock e18? 
The BiLock is the smallest of the three locks. But the bracket is angled, and the front lock is closest, so it looks larger. Here is the same bracket with the same three locks, but from the side view instead of the front:  Gordon
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by Mudman » 27 Feb 2017 1:44
Super cool lock! I was looking at an Abus 83 with the bilock core, wondered how the QC system worked.
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by OrMeanGene » 11 Mar 2017 22:58
I have the same style padlock. Just spp'd it tonight first time(humble brag :p). Do you know if these pick to control like a best core? Like the same way. Is this something different to get the core out? I really wanna get it keyed 
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by GWiens2001 » 11 Mar 2017 23:13
Start turning it back towards the locked position while pulling out outwards (a hook pick works for me). Once you get to the right position, it will slide out.
You can see the angle the keyway will be at when you check the pictures above.
Gordon
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by OrMeanGene » 11 Mar 2017 23:17
GWiens2001 wrote:Start turning it back towards the locked position while pulling out outwards (a hook pick works for me). Once you get to the right position, it will slide out.
You can see the angle the keyway will be at when you check the pictures above.
Gordon
Thanks a bunch. I was worried it was a luck thing to pick control. Thats way better. I need to find someone who can cut a key or repin and cut. If its possible. My local locksmith really is a putz
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by GWiens2001 » 11 Mar 2017 23:38
Cutting a key is really a BiLock dealer thing only. The key starts as a blank with a 90 degree bend. The two sides of bittings are cut, then the key is put into a jig that then folds over the key the correct amount.
If you come across a key, I can repin the lock for you.
Gordon
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by OrMeanGene » 11 Mar 2017 23:44
GWiens2001 wrote:Cutting a key is really a BiLock dealer thing only. The key starts as a blank with a 90 degree bend. The two sides of bittings are cut, then the key is put into a jig that then folds over the key the correct amount.
If you come across a key, I can repin the lock for you.
Gordon
Just any bilock key work? Im sure i can snag one on ebay or something. Dont really need control if ot just comes out right
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by GWiens2001 » 12 Mar 2017 7:58
OrMeanGene wrote:GWiens2001 wrote:Cutting a key is really a BiLock dealer thing only. The key starts as a blank with a 90 degree bend. The two sides of bittings are cut, then the key is put into a jig that then folds over the key the correct amount.
If you come across a key, I can repin the lock for you.
Gordon
Just any bilock key work? Im sure i can snag one on ebay or something. Dont really need control if ot just comes out right
A control key for a BiLock QCC is exactly the same as the user key except for two dimples milled in the side of the key between the first and second bits on both sides. You can turn any key into a control key by milling those dimples. The down side to a control key is that while it can be used as a normal key too, it also will have you removing the core accidentally from time to time. It is easy enough to reinstall the core, just that it will come out easily. It can be best to simply keep the key as a normal key unless you are expecting to swap cores. The keys do have warding, but the warding is minor and entirely on the face plate of the plug. It is an easy thing to use a needle file and with maybe ten minutes of time, the warding is gone, allowing any key to fit. The lock you have uses an NG plug, but an FG cover plate. It also has the plug installed deep inside the lock body. So if you get an NG key, you would need to remove the plastic key bow, take out the interactive element, and reinstall the key bow. Then with a needle file, you would need to file a tiny (about 1 mm) notch on the face of the key bow to allow it to fit the tiny bit further into the lock and operate the lock normally. Think that a FG key would work fine. Replacement keys run about $15 USD each, but take time to get and require special authorizations. Gordon
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by OrMeanGene » 12 Mar 2017 12:29
Thank you Gordon. That extremely helpful information.
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by globallockytoo » 12 Mar 2017 14:52
OrMeanGene wrote:GWiens2001 wrote:Start turning it back towards the locked position while pulling out outwards (a hook pick works for me). Once you get to the right position, it will slide out.
You can see the angle the keyway will be at when you check the pictures above.
Gordon
Thanks a bunch. I was worried it was a luck thing to pick control. Thats way better. I need to find someone who can cut a key or repin and cut. If its possible. My local locksmith really is a putz
I'm a dealer. If you transfer the system to me I can do whatever you want. BTW....that pic show displays an old Lockwood 245 padlock with a sideways facing core. That is extremely odd. I think the padlock was put together wrong.
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by GWiens2001 » 12 Mar 2017 15:22
globallockytoo wrote:OrMeanGene wrote:GWiens2001 wrote:Start turning it back towards the locked position while pulling out outwards (a hook pick works for me). Once you get to the right position, it will slide out.
You can see the angle the keyway will be at when you check the pictures above.
Gordon
Thanks a bunch. I was worried it was a luck thing to pick control. Thats way better. I need to find someone who can cut a key or repin and cut. If its possible. My local locksmith really is a putz
I'm a dealer. If you transfer the system to me I can do whatever you want. BTW....that pic show displays an old Lockwood 245 padlock with a sideways facing core. That is extremely odd. I think the padlock was put together wrong.
Have one the same, and another six on the way that all have the core facing the same direction. Locked, keyway is in this direction:  His picture is in the picked position. Gordon
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by OrMeanGene » 12 Mar 2017 19:10
Yeah, it was picked. Ill pm
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by adi_picker » 13 Mar 2017 18:22
globallocky, These are a Genuine BiLock padlock, from the early days, before the majority of the rebranded Parasole locks. Heres a cutout from the 2010 ALC BiLock catalog.  Dont be fooled by ALCs marketing, these are highly pickable by rake and by SPP, given certain (very common) circumstances. adi_picker
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