What kind of ASSA lock is this?

by **keyma** » 9 Feb 2017 12:05

Hi,

here i have 3 locks from an old lock-system. do anyone know, what kind of locks that are / which kind of key i need?

The system have the same Master-Key...

by **Squelchtone** » 9 Feb 2017 12:22

What do you hope to do with these locks? Are you trying to install them in your house or business or are you a lock collector?

Pic 1 and pic 2 looks like the locks are still installed on a door? Is this correct?

Visit a locksmith shop and ask which Silca key blank will fit your locks. The keys may be restricted.

The style of lock is Scandinavian oval cylinder.

Which country are you in, Denmark?

Thank you
Squelchtone

by **jimu57** » 9 Feb 2017 12:57

Looks like a very worn Twin Pro.

by **OrMeanGene** » 9 Feb 2017 15:51

You could always skip the key and sell to this guy ---->

by **jimu57** » 9 Feb 2017 15:57

If its a Twin Pro they will have a sidebar, most likely, and I think the keyway profile is 59.

by **keyma** » 10 Feb 2017 2:20

Hi,

thanks for the answers. the first two pics are from locks, that i have installed on my backyard. These locks have on the inside of the door a bar like these:

i lost the key and i would try to file a new one with the right blank key that have the profile for these locks.

yes that are scandinavian oval cylinder with sidebar.

@ jimu57: do you have pics form the profile 59? i haven't found some examples :/

by **jimu57** » 10 Feb 2017 2:39

Just looked at keyway profile 95. Its close but not it. Twin V10 uses profile 95. The Twin Pro is closest. I'll post both of those. Going to send your pics to an ASSA rep. He should be able to identify it.

by **keyma** » 13 Mar 2017 11:21

There are 4 Sidebar-Pins in this lock, does the Twin V10 have 5 / or more sidebar-pins?

And can you tell me, whats the different between an active- and passive sidebar?

If i try to pick the sidebar-pins, there are no response from the pins :/

by **jimu57** » 13 Mar 2017 12:09

keyma wrote:There are 4 Sidebar-Pins in this lock, does the Twin V10 have 5 / or more sidebar-pins?

And can you tell me, whats the different between an active- and passive sidebar?

If i try to pick the sidebar-pins, there are no response from the pins :/

Can you take a better pic that is straight on looking at the keyway?

I dont know of any that is made with only 4 side pins. I have one that I finally shimmed open months ago but havent done anything with it. It has 4 pins in it but its like half pins side by side in 1 hole and there are 2 in the cylinder. Not really sure what it is exactly.

Its possible to have a 5 pin sidebar with less that 5 side pins installed. You can use 1, 2, or none.

Are you rotating the cylinder when trying to pick the side pins? I have seen videos of Twin cylinders picked but cant remember which binds first, the key pins or side pins. Could be they bind in a mixed up combination.

An active sidebar is one that uses side pins and operated by the side cuts in the key. All ASSA cylinders are made with a V groove in the shell, I guess for manufacturing simplicity. Some oval shapes are the 601 series with no side bar. Then the same shell can be used with a plug that has a side bar cutout. Same shell, different plugs. The passive side bar is simply with no side pins. Takes away the security feature of the side pins but the springs push the sidebar into the V groove. This gives more difficulty in picking because you have to overcome the spring force plus trying to move the side bar out of the V groove when trying to put tension on the plug to pick the key pins. I think Bosnian Bill did a video on one with a passive bar.

If you can get a better pic of the keyway, I am still doing come digging.

jim

by **keyma** » 15 Mar 2017 3:01

Hi Jimu57,

thx for your Infos. i have found the video, you mean this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX7criza0zM

Here a better pic from the cylinder with the 6 pins and the 4 sidebar-pins. Is it ok for you? On the right you can see the sidebar pins. I put the last two pins (in the back of the cylinder) down and the "front-sidebar-pins" up. You are right, the sidebar pins looks like they are half pins. the 2 front-sidebar-pins are very close together, and the "back-sidebar-pins", too.

Yes i rotate the cylinder when i try to pick the sidebar. Maybe my problem on picking this lock is, that my skill is to bad to pick the normal pins and that the sidebar is the step 2 of picking... In the videos with assa twin pro-picks on YouTube, the guys pick the key pins first, and after that the sidebar.

by **jimu57** » 15 Mar 2017 4:53

Hi keyma. Yes, that is rhe video.

If the pins are like you said, a pair of split pins, the key is not stepped on the side like the Twin series. The key will have a sidewinder cut into it. The side pins will not have springs pushing on them. The fingers on the bottom are caught on the leading entrance of the sidewinder groove and will be set into position when the key is fully inserted. I have one similar to this one that the side pins do not match the key. I'll check and see if I can get a key blank with matching pins. I have ASSA bottom pins and drivers so I can cut the blank and send you pins as well. Give me a few days.
Jim

by **Squelchtone** » 15 Mar 2017 6:36

keyma wrote:Hi Jimu57,

thx for your Infos. i have found the video, you mean this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX7criza0zM

Here a better pic from the cylinder with the 6 pins and the 4 sidebar-pins. Is it ok for you? On the right you can see the sidebar pins. I put the last two pins (in the back of the cylinder) down and the "front-sidebar-pins" up. You are right, the sidebar pins looks like they are half pins. the 2 front-sidebar-pins are very close together, and the "back-sidebar-pins", too.

Yes i rotate the cylinder when i try to pick the sidebar. Maybe my problem on picking this lock is, that my skill is to bad to pick the normal pins and that the sidebar is the step 2 of picking... In the videos with assa twin pro-picks on YouTube, the guys pick the key pins first, and after that the sidebar.

Are you an experienced lock picker or is this the 1st lock you have ever tried picking? ASSA with sidebar is not a beginner lock, very well made, high tolerances, and very difficult to pick. What lock pick set tools are you using?

Squelchtone

by **keyma** » 15 Mar 2017 10:34

Thanks for your help Jim

@ Squelchtone: i am a totaly beginner in lockpicking. i have any transparent locks for training, and this is my first lock, i would pick (without a free view to the inner of the lock). the transparent locks are no problem for me, but i think that locks are "baby-locks" for "noob-beginners" (like me)

i have this pick-set: https://shop.multipick.com/en/lock-pick ... info=20162

by **tjohn** » 17 Mar 2017 22:53

Starting with a ASSA?

by **GWiens2001** » 17 Mar 2017 23:01

tjohn wrote:Starting with a ASSA?

Well, if he succeeds, he's likely to be going places in the picking community! :mrgreen:

Gordon

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