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What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Want to learn how master keyed systems work? not sure what a Grand Master or a change key are? Want to share a new MK system you came up with? How do different manufacturers pin up their locks? It's 10pm, do you know where your wafers are?

What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby Juststarted1 » 23 Mar 2017 13:44

Ok so I went to pin a lock with a master key after I put it back together only the master key worked not the regular key.. it's a schlage 6pin
Regular key bitting
385632

Master key
701818

What will the bottom and master pins required
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Re: What's the anwser

Postby TORCH [of KCK] » 23 Mar 2017 14:02

Did the sheer line feel smooth for both keys, before you reinstalled the plug ?

Just curious, what increments is the pinning kit, the master pins came out of ?

All I can say without seeing, is gut it & double check.
Sorry not much help at this time.
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Re: What's the anwser

Postby Squelchtone » 23 Mar 2017 14:10

Juststarted1 wrote:Ok so I went to pin a lock with a master key after I put it back together only the master key worked not the regular key.. it's a schlage 6pin
Regular key bitting
385632

Master key
701818

What will the bottom and master pins required



The answer is welcome to the forum, but please at least introduce yourself before asking for help, and please put better titles to your posts or I will be deleting them.

This sounds like one of those quiz questions you sometimes get when trying to log into a Locksmith forum where they make you guess a particular key bitting based on an indirect code they give.... especially since your title is also "whats the answer" instead of "what pins do I need"

Squelchtone

PS. those are some deep a$$ cuts on the master key.. aren't change key cuts supposed to be deeper than the cuts on a master key so that you can't file a change key down into a master key?
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby RedE » 23 Mar 2017 15:00

If you want to know how to masterkey, there are many threads already on this forum that can answer your question. Basically you take the smallest number for each chamber and that becomes your bottom pin. Your master pin is calculated by taking the difference between the large number and the small one.

I would suggest doing a search on master keying... you'll probably find enough material to keep you busy for hours!

Squelchtone: Agreed, there are a lot of deep cuts in that masterkey. As a matter of fact, I've seen several manufacturers that like to do that on their factory systems. But that one 0 cut on the MK will be enough to keep an attacker from filing a change key into a master.
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby jimu57 » 23 Mar 2017 15:45

Pinned wrong.
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby cledry » 23 Mar 2017 16:08

Juststarted1 wrote:Ok so I went to pin a lock with a master key after I put it back together only the master key worked not the regular key.. it's a schlage 6pin
Regular key bitting
385632

Master key
701818

What will the bottom and master pins required


Post the bottom pins and master pins you used and we can tell what went wrong. Unless of course your pins are mixed up. The master key is not one most locksmiths would choose, you are very close to the MACs, and the 1 depths will wear very fast, then your keys won't work.
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby l0ckcr4ck3r » 23 Mar 2017 17:29

To answer your question....

Bottom Pins
301612

Master Pins
484226

If its not a genuine Schlage cylinder, then sometimes you need to play with the pins and go +/- .003 get it to run smooth.

celery makes 2 good points on the MACS and 1&0 depths.
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby cledry » 23 Mar 2017 17:32

l0ckcr4ck3r wrote:To answer your question....

Bottom Pins
301612

Master Pins
484226

If its not a genuine Schlage cylinder, then sometimes you need to play with the pins and go +/- .003 get it to run smooth.

celery makes 2 good points on the MACS and 1&0 depths.


That's not the first time I have been called celery!
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby RedE » 23 Mar 2017 18:16

cledry wrote:
Juststarted1 wrote:Ok so I went to pin a lock with a master key after I put it back together only the master key worked not the regular key.. it's a schlage 6pin
Regular key bitting
385632

Master key
701818

What will the bottom and master pins required


Post the bottom pins and master pins you used and we can tell what went wrong. Unless of course your pins are mixed up. The master key is not one most locksmiths would choose, you are very close to the MACs, and the 1 depths will wear very fast, then your keys won't work.


Well you'd hope that people doing MK work would use high quality nickel silver blanks to cut down on exactly the issue that your describing. I would recommend using a 0 or 1 on the key for Schlage stuff as they use those depth for MK work only. But if definitely doesn't have to be next to a deep cut as Cledry said.
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Re: What's the anwser - need help master pinning a cylinder

Postby GWiens2001 » 23 Mar 2017 19:12

cledry wrote:
l0ckcr4ck3r wrote:To answer your question....

Bottom Pins
301612

Master Pins
484226

If its not a genuine Schlage cylinder, then sometimes you need to play with the pins and go +/- .003 get it to run smooth.

celery makes 2 good points on the MACS and 1&0 depths.


That's not the first time I have been called celery!


I suspect it is auto-correct. Would have fixed it, but since you responded, I'll leave it. :)

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