Euro cylinder (EVVA MCS) + Drumm-Geminy

[k3rb3r05]

Hello,

I'll be getting these items from different distributors (unless there is a european distributor that I can get both items from; i couldnt find any) so I need some help in figuring out the specs.

First off, is there a european ditributor that sells VDS version of MCS?
Secondly, VDS site says it provides pulling protection (for some reason I thought it was drilling protection). Is there a need for VDS version if MCS is used in conjuction with geminy?
Finally,
a) geminy says that the allowed Maximum Cylinder Projection is 23mm. (1st image from the left)
b) It says the slider doesn't open all the way, but just 22mm. (2nd & 3rd image from the left)

Given a, b and the 3 images, what should be MCS cylinder projection in order to provide pulling protection (either by having 0 clearance so they can't grab the cylinder with a tool (in this case, would the key be able to turn the cylinder) or by jamming the cylinder against the slider) ?



Thank you for your time

[DangerDane]

What does VDS stand for and what purpose does it have?

[Squelchtone]

What does VDS stand for and what purpose does it have?

It's the German version of UL Listed such as UL 437 for high security locks.

or the Dutch SKG ** SKG *** rating on locks, similar idea http://www.skgikob.nl/en/skg-star-rating.html

here is a fun document to read when you are bored https://vds.de/fileadmin/vds_publikatio ... en_web.pdf

[Loukanikidis]

Hello,

I'll be getting these items from different distributors (unless there is a european distributor that I can get both items from; i couldnt find any) so I need some help in figuring out the specs.

First off, is there a european ditributor that sells VDS version of MCS?
Secondly, VDS site says it provides pulling protection (for some reason I thought it was drilling protection). Is there a need for VDS version if MCS is used in conjuction with geminy?
Finally,
a) geminy says that the allowed Maximum Cylinder Projection is 23mm. (1st image from the left)
b) It says the slider doesn't open all the way, but just 22mm. (2nd & 3rd image from the left)

Given a, b and the 3 images, what should be MCS cylinder projection in order to provide pulling protection (either by having 0 clearance so they can't grab the cylinder with a tool (in this case, would the key be able to turn the cylinder) or by jamming the cylinder against the slider) ?



Thank you for your time

None of the three European distributors that I know are selling a Vds version of the MCS but I really don't think you should worry about that if you are going to get the Geminy escutcheon.

Something tells me that you 're from a mediterranean country. If that's correct then I guess you are familiar with the term "defender" and the related products from Disec, Cisa, Mottura, etc.
Now considering that a relatively cheap 40 Euro defender/escutcheon from disec(BD200) works like a charm in such cases(cylinder pulling/snapping, drilling attacks or even offering some serious protection against grinding attacks) you can imaging what the Geminy can do. It is the most secure escutcheon/defender to my knowledge.

Unfortunately, I think the MCS key won't be able to fully turn the cylinder if combined with the Geminy because of the slider.
These are the dimensions of the MCS key:


I would either get the MCS and combine it with an escutcheon/defender from Disec, like the BKS200 instead of the Geminy,
or
I would combine the Geminy with literally any euro profile cylinder that fits in. But if you still want to go with an overkill solution, then the Abloy Protec 2 would be a great option. It's pick proof, I don't think it can be drilled enough to extract the disks without using a specific tool made for this exact cylinder and it works with the geminy.

[Aruaria]

combine it with an Abloy protec 2 only if key copy protection is paramount. As discussed in the VDS BZ vs TS2014 post, once the geminy is compromised the protec will offer no protection against brute force attacks. There are better and cheaper options.

[GWiens2001]

combine it with an Abloy protec 2 only if key copy protection is paramount. As discussed in the VDS BZ vs TS2014 post, once the geminy is compromised the protec will offer no protection against brute force attacks. There are better and cheaper options.

What are some of the options you would recommend? I always want to learn more, especially when it is from a part of the world that uses locks that are not commonly found here in the United States.

Gordon