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Middle Tennessee

Looking to join a locksport group in your local area or start one? Trying to find a meeting or meetup? Look no further.

Middle Tennessee

Postby C130pilot » 1 Apr 2017 11:10

Does anyone have any contacts for a Nashville Group?

Thanks in Advance!!!

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Re: Middle Tennessee

Postby Squelchtone » 1 Apr 2017 19:00

C130pilot wrote:Does anyone have any contacts for a Nashville Group?

Thanks in Advance!!!

K


Hi,
Just a heads up if you are forming a meetup or hackerspace night with locksport in mind, the laws in TN may now make it illegal to even possess lock pick tools if you are not a registered locksmith, please see here for more: http://www.bloomingtonfools.org/index.p ... view&id=22

another source confirming current law *may* cause headaches for hobbyists: http://toool.us/laws.html

other than that, hope you find some other like minded folks to connect with, after all the police can't break up a locksport meeting in someone's living room, right? :-)

good luck,
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Re: Middle Tennessee

Postby Jacob Morgan » 1 Apr 2017 23:41

Regarding the Tennessee law, two points:

1) under 62-11-105(1) there is an exemption for An individual property owner or the owner's agent installing locks or assisting in a lock-out situation without compensation on the owner's property, public or private; I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but it seems to me that anything goes on one's own property. Among other things it would mean that an apartment owner could have their maintenance workers do locksmithing or lockouts, and ditto for large companies with in-house locksmiths--and it implies that one can posses the tools to do such work.

2) Again, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but there is a gap in all the state laws I have seen, the Tennessee one included. A criminal statute lists if breaking a given law is a misdemeanor or felony and what class thereof. E.g., armed robbery is a class C felony, practicing law without a license is a class A misdemeanor, practicing medicine without a license is a class B felony. A class A misdemeanor means county jail up to one year and/or $2,500 fine, a class B felony is 8 to 60 years and up to a $25,000 fine, etc. Since the tool possession part of the Tennessee law does not state that it is a misdemeanor or a felony (and also not what class thereof), then it seems to indicate that it is not a criminal matter at all. While practicing medicine or law without a license carries both civil and criminal penalties, it appears that locksmith matters are strictly civil matters. Where the locksmith statue mentions civil suits it only has to do with engaging in the business without a license, there is no reference to suits (and the amounts of the fines, etc.) for tool possession. In my non-lawyer opinion the tool "rule" is therefore meaningless. It is just a pious throw-away line to make the legislators feel like they were doing something other than enabling an anti-competitive cartel to form. It was about limiting competition by only allowing new locksmiths to enter the trade if they were hired at the pleasure of established locksmiths. A board certified brain surgeon could show up in Tennessee and go into business for themselves. If I understand it correctly, Marc Tobias, John Falle, the staff from Lockmasters, et al, could not move to Tennessee and hire themselves out to so much as install a dead bolt lock on a little old lady's backdoor unless an already licensed locksmith hired them first. I.e., the licensed locksmiths collectively control who, and how many, new locksmiths come into the system. Someone is being protected alright, but it is not the consumers of the Volunteer State.

Lived in Tennessee for 11 years, and have a friend who is an attorney in Tennessee. Our families usually visit once a year or so. When I see him again I may show him the statute and ask him if the tool part of the rule has any teeth to it.
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Re: Middle Tennessee

Postby C130pilot » 2 Apr 2017 15:07

Wow, Great information guys!!!!! I can see the Cadre of Locksmiths in a state forming a Union similar to the taxi drivers. It controls competition and makes the people spend the money up front to get licensed and committed to the cause. As social media evolves, getting your name out there as a locksmith without even having to be certified or endorsed is pretty easy, not say you are not a good picker, but having certs is what is required to it controls quality to some extent. (free market and word of mouth do it better) Reading the law below seems to be focused on the business side of the career field, and not the hobbyist who would never get into the lock picking business to begin with. (I already have a full time job and a part time job). This is a HOBBY only. No one is soliciting work for compensation. I think any reasonable person would see that. I would like to meet a few folks to meet in the dinning room and work on our hobby. Thanks!!!!!
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Re: Middle Tennessee

Postby C130pilot » 2 Apr 2017 15:12

So with that said, is anyone a Hobbyist in Nashville?
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Re: Middle Tennessee

Postby Squelchtone » 2 Apr 2017 15:41

C130pilot wrote:So with that said, is anyone a Hobbyist in Nashville?


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