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Please identify manufacturer from key

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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby cantstopwontstop » 10 Apr 2017 15:54

RedE wrote:This could be because of your key. If the cylinder is out of the door and the cap is not over tightened, then your copied key may be cut a little shallow, which is causing one or more of the pins to rub when turning the key.


It was the same after I changed the lock, the new original doesn't feel any better
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby RedE » 10 Apr 2017 16:07

cantstopwontstop wrote:
RedE wrote:This could be because of your key. If the cylinder is out of the door and the cap is not over tightened, then your copied key may be cut a little shallow, which is causing one or more of the pins to rub when turning the key.


It was the same after I changed the lock, the new original doesn't feel any better


Have you tried to see how the cylinder turns if it doesn't have any pins in it? I would try that before spending money on replacing it.

FYI, be sure not to let the top pins and springs fall into the plug when testing this. There's been many times for me that you don't think about what you're doing until that oh crap moment.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby cantstopwontstop » 10 Apr 2017 17:09

RedE wrote:Have you tried to see how the cylinder turns if it doesn't have any pins in it? I would try that before spending money on replacing it.

FYI, be sure not to let the top pins and springs fall into the plug when testing this. There's been many times for me that you don't think about what you're doing until that oh crap moment.


I am like 95% sure I will drop the pins into the cylinder. Since it was scraping with the old key + pins, as well as the new key + pins, it's not clear to me what this is testing for?
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby jimu57 » 10 Apr 2017 17:26

Trying to follow here. Sounds like you put in a new deadbolt and it still drags. If that is the case, then the cylinder and bolt is dragging probably because of poor drilling in the door for the lockset.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby cantstopwontstop » 10 Apr 2017 17:29

jimu57 wrote:Trying to follow here. Sounds like you put in a new deadbolt and it still drags. If that is the case, then the cylinder and bolt is dragging probably because of poor drilling in the door for the lockset.


Sorry it's confusing. On the front door of my house there was a schlage secure deadbolt and handle. Both of those were fine but since I couldn't change them I replaced them with normal schlage. The new ones are fine as well.

On the back door I have regular schlage deadbolt and handle. That deadbolt was dragging with the old key and the new key. It was dragging when I turned it even when the whole thing was apart and I was just turning the key in the cylinder, both with the old key + pins and the new key + pins.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby jimu57 » 10 Apr 2017 18:08

Cylinder made be scarred or pin chamber can get distorted if some forces it open with a screwdriver. Probably just replace the cylinder. I have lots of used ones if you want to try that. No charge.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby cantstopwontstop » 10 Apr 2017 18:10

jimu57 wrote:Cylinder made be scarred or pin chamber can get distorted if some forces it open with a screwdriver. Probably just replace the cylinder. I have lots of used ones if you want to try that. No charge.


Yes that would be awesome thank you! Should I send you a picture of the cylinder or anything? I'm happy to pay any shipping costs of course.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby jimu57 » 10 Apr 2017 18:14

Send me a pic of just the cylinder. If you want it to work with the new ones you installed, send me a PM with the bitting from the key. I'll send pins along.

Will only cost a couple of bucks to mail. I'll take care if it. Thats what we do on here. Now if I had 10 ne deadbolts you wanted, that would be different.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby cantstopwontstop » 10 Apr 2017 18:21

jimu57 wrote:Send me a pic of just the cylinder. If you want it to work with the new ones you installed, send me a PM with the bitting from the key. I'll send pins along.

Will only cost a couple of bucks to mail. I'll take care if it. Thats what we do on here. Now if I had 10 ne deadbolts you wanted, that would be different.


Well thanks, that is very nice of you. I will take the deadbolt apart to get a picture tonight when I have a chance
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby RedE » 10 Apr 2017 18:31

It would probably be easier to follow jimu57's suggestion and replace the cylinder. The reason I suggested trying it without pins was to eliminate the possibility of the new pins being a problem. Why might the new pins be a problem? Well, sometimes they seem like the right size when the plug is out of the cylinder and with the key in it. However, once you put the plug into the cylinder, the bottom of the key is occasionally forced up in the keyway just a little bit. What seemed to be the right sized pins all the sudden become just a tad too long to operate smoothly. Now, yes it may sound crazy that this would've happened with the old key, but knowing that it's not an original Schlage key means that it could've been cut shallower than spec, hence causing the scraping.

As previously mentioned, there is the possibility that the cylinder is physically deformed in shape, but I would say that to be highly unlikely unless the lock is really old, abused, and heavily used.

If you've got access to a free replacement, then I'd say by all means go for it and save the time of trying to fix the existing problem. I was just trying to troubleshoot your issue to save you from shelling out some cash if you didn't need to.

EDIT: I spent awhile typing the message and didn't see that you and jimu57 are already coordinating getting a replacement. I'm sure he'll do you right and get you some good parts.
Hope all turns out well with your project.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby cantstopwontstop » 10 Apr 2017 18:39

RedE wrote:The reason I suggested trying it without pins was to eliminate the possibility of the new pins being a problem. Why might the new pins be a problem? Well, sometimes they seem like the right size when the plug is out of the cylinder and with the key in it. However, once you put the plug into the cylinder, the bottom of the key is occasionally forced up in the keyway just a little bit. What seemed to be the right sized pins all the sudden become just a tad too long to operate smoothly. Now, yes it may crazy that this would've happened with the old key, but knowing that it's not an original Schlage key means that it could've been cut shallower than spec, hence causing the scraping.


Further, the keys causing the dragging/scraping on the old pins had no problems with the other locks, but yes I see where you are coming from thanks for explaining.
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby GWiens2001 » 10 Apr 2017 19:05

How about identifying this key I found today?

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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby RedE » 10 Apr 2017 19:06

cantstopwontstop wrote:Further, the keys causing the dragging/scraping on the old pins had no problems with the other locks, but yes I see where you are coming from thanks for explaining.


No problem. I think that's about the first time I've ever been complemented for being confusing! :D
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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby jimu57 » 10 Apr 2017 19:10

GWiens2001 wrote:How about identifying this key I found today?

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:mrgreen:

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Re: Please identify manufacturer from key

Postby RedE » 10 Apr 2017 19:15

GWiens2001 wrote:How about identifying this key I found today?

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:mrgreen:

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Is that an automotive key? I see what appears to be buttons on the key head, indicating that it could be a remote. Yet the blade is only single cut and and aren't all non-high security car keys double cut these days? I've never done any auto work, but what you have is quite peculiar to me nonetheless.
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