Best Secure-but-Simple Euro Lock

[maia]

OK, thank you for your input. Regards!

[Loukanikidis]

@maia
Found this site which has the CY332(the hardened version) in a really good price:
http://www.abloyshop.co.uk/abloy-cy332- ... 3918-p.asp
Unfortunately they only ship to Ireland and the UK but you said EU so I'm mentioning it just in case.

In my country(Greece), you can get the CY332(hardened version) for as low as 104 euros with 3 keys. Also the non-hardened version costs 84 euros.
I could provide some greek websites from which I have bought my Abloys and their emails so you can contact them and ask if they can send you the cylinders.
Or maybe if someone that you know, happens to be in Greece at the moment could send or even bring them to you..?

Just saying..

[maia]

@maia
In my country(Greece), you can get the CY332(hardened version) for as low as 104 euros with 3 keys. Also the non-hardened version costs 84 euros.
I could provide some greek websites from which I have bought my Abloys and their emails so you can contact them and ask if they can send you the cylinders.

Thank you. Do you have any links for me to check them out?
Regards!

[Loukanikidis]

Sorry for the late reply

Price order: Low to high
(If you use google chrome you can automatically translate the pages below, from greek to english.)

1. http://e-kleidaras.gr/index.php?target= ... t_id=29999
E-mail: info@e-kleidaras.gr
104 Euros (Hardened version in the 2nd option from the drop down menu)
This guy is the cheapest by far. As far as I know he has a deal with Abloy and they supply him directly. He is a wholesaler whereas most of the other locksmith shops are retailers(means they get supplied from the main distributor here in Greece so they sell Abloy products at a higher price tag. Also in his website says Abloy Protec. It is not the old Protec. It's the Protec 2. It's a typo.)

2. http://www.lockitnow.gr/abloy-security- ... tec-2.html
E-mail: sales@lockitnow.gr
Only the 80mm hardened version can be found in the drop down menu but you can still ask him via email if he can get you the 60mm(30-30) hardened version.

3. http://www.safecase.gr/%CF%83%CF%85%CF% ... y-protec-2
Email: info@safecase.gr
Same goes for this guy too. You have to ask via email the 60mm hardened version.

I would go for the first guy of course who sells them at a significant lower price but it's good to have other options since I don't know if the first or even the other two, can ship abroad.
I have bought abloy products from all these 3 locksmith shops so I can confirm that they are legitimate.

I hope that helps.

[herolocksmith]

There are lots of reasonable priced systems around with good mechanical properties.
Altough the Protec is cited here lots of times it is by far not the best lock of the world. There are better options around, if you also consider economical and technical points.
From a point of picking resistance, the EvvA MCS is one of the best option.

The Keso 4000S Omega is in its hardest version secure against drilling, core removal and breaking due to construction and not too expensive. This lock offers superiour master keying capabilities and is extensible to any length even after purchase. Furthermore it is quote affordable if you consider to secure inner doors as well, as well the standard version of the cylinder is cheaper.
Picking a modern Keso isn't childplay either.

Zeiss ikon Sk 6 is an affordable and robust 6 pin cylinder. It can be ordered in germany in Vds B variant for around 80-90 euro and is practically secure against destructive entry techniques.

If you believe you might come under burglary attack, spend a reasonable amount of money on door safety shields with core removal protection and quality fittings.

Furthermore, inform yourself about the possibility of an independent security consulting.

In germany, the police offers burglary security consulting without charge to homeowners.

Thanks for your reply .

I've looked into the EVVA MCS, unfortunately it seems pretty hard to get here in the UK. The one reliable source I've found is SecuritySnobs, and I'm not sure about their reputation - I wasn't able to come up with anything on Google searching whether they are legit or whether anyone has had any experience dealing with them. I sent them an email a few months back asking some general questions about cylinder sizing but they never replied, which makes me a little dubious on their reliability. Also, the price for an MCS on there is around $280 - not sure if that is the "standard" but it's more than I want to spend per lock really. As I say, I can get Protec2s for £160 each and while the MCS is certainly a worthy contender on that front, It's a bit beyond budget really. I'm also dubious about the reliability of their technology as I haven't seen it tested or reported widely elsewhere, I do wonder whether the magnets would be at risk of becoming demagnetised or falling out of the key, and how reliable the lock technology actually is.

I've just looked up the KESO, can't find any sellers in the UK, the only reliable looking page I've found is This site which is entirely in German.. However clicking that first drop-down shows Euro priced between 89 and 144 EUR, minus any add on options (Not sure what those other drop downs mean but I'm guessing things like hardening options), International postage and taxes, which, again, is a little more than ideal considering the Avocet and basic CISA locks can be found in the UK for £30ish each. Also if I had to source from a German site I wonder whether I'd be able to communicate my needs effectively with the seller (such as needing a keyed alike system, etc).
I have to say though, that's a beautiful, beautiful lock. Look up the bitting on some Google Images, madness!!

Zeiss ikon Sk 6 - Not had any luck Googling this. Mostly comes up with a camera! However the sites I have found that mention it are all in German, and I've not seen one actually selling this lock sadly, so I've been unable to check pricing.

Really I was hoping for something I can source easily within the UK, for a cheap(ish) price with high security - I realise that many of these requirements are at odds with each other and likely nothing will fit all the criteria, so it's going to be a case of sacrificing price for security or vice versa. Possibly I've already found all the UK options that are available for easy purchase - in this case I'd ask whether people would recommend the Avocet ABS or CISA Astral S more highly when it comes to pick resistance?

Thanks though, those would certainly be some lovely options if not for price and/or availability

Keyprint in Edinburgh are Keso stockists along with abs and Cisa astral s. I use them myself and they're reliable.

[maia]

Sorry for the late reply

Price order: Low to high
(If you use google chrome you can automatically translate the pages below, from greek to english.)

1. http://e-kleidaras.gr/index.php?target= ... t_id=29999
E-mail: info@e-kleidaras.gr
104 Euros (Hardened version in the 2nd option from the drop down menu)
This guy is the cheapest by far. As far as I know he has a deal with Abloy and they supply him directly. He is a wholesaler whereas most of the other locksmith shops are retailers(means they get supplied from the main distributor here in Greece so they sell Abloy products at a higher price tag. Also in his website says Abloy Protec. It is not the old Protec. It's the Protec 2. It's a typo.)

2. http://www.lockitnow.gr/abloy-security- ... tec-2.html
E-mail: sales@lockitnow.gr
Only the 80mm hardened version can be found in the drop down menu but you can still ask him via email if he can get you the 60mm(30-30) hardened version.

3. http://www.safecase.gr/%CF%83%CF%85%CF% ... y-protec-2
Email: info@safecase.gr
Same goes for this guy too. You have to ask via email the 60mm hardened version.

I would go for the first guy of course who sells them at a significant lower price but it's good to have other options since I don't know if the first or even the other two, can ship abroad.
I have bought abloy products from all these 3 locksmith shops so I can confirm that they are legitimate.

I hope that helps.

Many thanks!

[Silly_question]

It’s an old thread, but I have a new question.

We have more choices since the original post. How would you compare the Kaba pExtra+ Guard, Iseo F6 Extra S3, and Evva EPS 3-star cylinders? All have the UK’s 3-star anti-snap rating, and I think the F6 Extra S3 might also be SKG *** rated.

I had a Kaba pExtra Guard — the previous version before Kaba launched the pExtra+ Easy Key Entry — on my front door. However, it jammed after several years despite using a lock lubricant. I wonder if the GeGe’s tight tolerances made it susceptible to dirt. Would the Iseo or an Evva be better? (And does the lubricant choice matter for a gritty and dirty environment?)

[Tor Locks Viking]

Hey

Yes, lubricant does matter, there are many who use WD40 and get problems later, not that I have anything against wd40 only in locks.
The one I use a lot is the ABUS ps88, there are certainly other brands out there and you can buy them from a locksmith.
Graphite can be good in some locks to.
Regarding the locks, I'm not sure sorry, this type of profile lock was feded out of the merked in the year198x in Norway due to its weakness and was replaced with trioving 508 that had 2 bolts later on 4 bolts lock, since this time there have been menny new versions on this profile outside of Norway with break protection, drill protection, etc.



BR
Tor