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Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

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Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby 9jack9 » 27 Jun 2017 20:43

Is this easy to do? Locks with "zigzag" or straight keyhole, a keyhole that cuts through the entire "disk" of the lock, only partway, or sticks out from the disk into the other material?
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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby mseifert » 27 Jun 2017 21:38

Some manufacturers can be identified by there Keyway .. but you may not be able to be able to tell the model of the locks. i.e. the keyway for a Master lock is somewhat easy to identify but just about all of there locks use the same keyway ..
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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby GWiens2001 » 27 Jun 2017 21:39

Sometimes you can, sometimes not.

A warded lock and a lever lock may use the same keyhole. There are even warded lever locks.

You can usually identify a disc-tumbler lock (not a disc detainer) lock by looking in the keyway and seeing the flat disc tumblers. But an Ingersoll lock can look like a disc tumbler if you look inside the keyway.

Most pin tumblers you can identify by looking in the keyway and seeing the pins. But the Kwikset Smartkey looks like a pin tumbler if you are only looking in the keyway. Those can be spotted by the rectangular slot next to the keyway. But just because there is a rectangular slot next to the keyway does not mean it is a SmartKey. U-Change has a rectangular slot next to the keyway, too. And it is a pin tumbler lock.

Disc detainer locks are fairly easy to identify.

Tubular locks are easy. But some things that look like tubular locks, or at least similar, can be something else entirely.

There are so many exceptions with locks. That is what fascinates me - there is always something new to see/find/add to your collection. Some of the different things are new, some are old. Lever locks may have the levers that need the key turned to operate, and some lever locks may need the key only to be pushed in to operate.

The first pin tumbler padlocks were push-key operated, too. The Yale PKPT (Push Key Pin Tumbler) padlock. (Made a key for another one of them today). With those you do not use a tension wrench because the plug is part of the shackle and must be pushed far enough in with the key for the shackle to be lifted before it can be turned. Use a tension wrench, and all you will do is bend the wrench and damage the keyway.

It really comes down to experience. If you hang around here and read enough posts, you will learn a lot.

Graham Pulford's book, High Security Mechanical Locks, is an outstanding resource. The best book resource I have seen so far. But strong word of caution - it will be a taunting toy catalog. I want one of these! Ooh, one of those, too! Gotta have that one! Some are very hard to find, and some are rather expensive. He is even a member here!

This site is the best online resource you will find for lock information. Use the search button!

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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby capt.dunc » 28 Jun 2017 10:48

and don't forget to put your country in your profile, different places have different locks. although i'm guessing america because of your other post.
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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby 9jack9 » 28 Jun 2017 21:58

Can anyone recommend a good visual reference?
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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby GWiens2001 » 28 Jun 2017 22:04

We did.

Graham Pulford's book, High Security Mechanical Locks

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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby capt.dunc » 29 Jun 2017 8:33

for which country?
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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

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Re: Identifying lock type by appearance of keyhole?

Postby greyman » 21 Jul 2017 0:49

GWiens2001 wrote:Sometimes you can, sometimes not.
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Graham Pulford's book, High Security Mechanical Locks, is an outstanding resource. The best book resource I have seen so far. But strong word of caution - it will be a taunting toy catalog. I want one of these! Ooh, one of those, too! Gotta have that one! Some are very hard to find, and some are rather expensive. He is even a member here!

This site is the best online resource you will find for lock information. Use the search button!

Gordon


Great post, Gordon, and thank you for the excellent feedback :oops:

I know that feeling of being taunted by a new and interesting lock, only to find that my credit card would go into the red if I bought it. It's one of the reasons I started writing the book. After a while I realised that lock companies would quite happily hand over a free sample in exchange for a slot in the book. On the whole, though, most of the locks were bought or borrowed rather than samples. If you can get into a lock sport or enthusiast community, you can have access to lots more than one person can usually acquire.

LP101 is a fantastic resource and I owe a lot to the LP101 people who helped me get the facts needed to put that book together :)

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