CISA SP Pinning information

[gumptrick]

I'm looking to order a couple couple Cisa "SP" profile cylinders, and I figured I'd get one with some pretty moderate bitting & the other with something gnarly. I found a friendly dealer who will be happy to order me what I want, I just need to specify the pinning by code.

Anyone know the nomenclature for this? I spent a great deal of time searching (both on this site and on the internet as a whole) and I can't find a depth chart for the CISA SP. I'm specifically looking for the number of variations per pin and whether Cisa specifies this going from tip-to-bow or from bow-to-tip.

[billdeserthills]

I use schlage depth & spacing, often I will use a .10 shorter bottom pin with a #2 kwikset top pin in order to increase tolerance
this makes the lock less fussy for folks who don't understand they often need to actually push the key into the lock while turning
the key in order for it to open

[gumptrick]

I use schlage depth & spacing, often I will use a .10 shorter bottom pin with a #2 kwikset top pin in order to increase tolerance
this makes the lock less fussy for folks who don't understand they often need to actually push the key into the lock while turning
the key in order for it to open

That all sounds reasonable, but I'm placing my order with a CISA factory-authorized dealer. I need the factory nomenclature to complete the order.

[gumptrick]

Things are getting interesting here. I gave up looking after days and days of searching and decided to go for a shotgun approach. I asked the dealer for the following two codes: 7,3,6,2,7,1 and 2,5,4,3,5,6, the idea being that I'd get one relatively easy bitting and one nasty one.

The dealer Emailed me back and stated that the 2nd one was no problem, but the factory (i.e. CISA) could not do the first one, and didn't mention why. I asked the dealer if perhaps he knew the depth information and/or MACS but the dealer replied back that "he didn't think CISA wanted to share that kind of information". That seems odd to me; I'd figure a dealer for CISA products who advertises re-keying, etc, would certainly know that.

So now it's a guessing game of trying to figure out what was wrong with the first code. I'm thinking that either this is only a 6-depth lock in which case my callouts for 7's are the problem, or the MACS is too restrictive. I just replied back and asked for 6, 2, 3, 6, 2, 1 instead, which eliminates the 7's and also lowers the MACS from 6 to 4. Hopefully that will work. I still wish I knew the MACS because I really want this lock to be punishingly difficult.

[jimu57]

I think the SP only can use the pins 1 thru 6. Some others can use 7 and some can use 8.