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Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Bump keys and lock bumping finally have their own area. Discuss making bump keys, proper bumping techniques, and countermeasures here.

Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby TomSwango » 21 Aug 2016 12:38

I am a novice just starting to learn lock picking. My question is: What are the advantages and disadvantages of bump keys versus a snap gun and tension wrench?

I do not understand what the advantage is of having a ring of bump keys when it appears that a snap gun and tension wrench would perform the same function.

Thank you in advance for your input.

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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby mseifert » 21 Aug 2016 13:52

They are variation of speed and how quiet you want to be .. Bump Keys can be quick but are loud by the natural of how a bump key works you can damage the lock .. Snap Gun or Tension wrenches are quiet but take finesse to use and much less chance of ruining a lock or pins.

My gut feeling is that Bump Keys are used more in the criminal world.. But I am not a lock smith so I could be wrong ..
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby ltdbjd » 21 Aug 2016 14:38

Bump keys (provided the correct tension is used) are very fast, and I've found them to be quite reliable. The disadvantage is that not only can it eventually damage the lock components, but it leaves a permanent mark on the face of the lock unless you take steps to prevent the shoulder of the key from impacting the face of the lock. In my experience, I've bumped a practice lock hundreds and hundreds of times, and they still work fine. I don't buy the whole "it will damage the lock" argument when it comes to pins and springs. I'm sure it CAN, and probably has happened. But I think it would typically take a lot of bumping to damage it. It will however, damage the face of the lock. Some people cut the shoulder back and put a dollop of hot glue on it, some people use a rubber o-ring to prevent this, but I never have bothered. Another disadvantage is you need one key for each type of lock. There isn't a universal bump key.

Here is one of my practice bump locks. You can see the damage above the keyway. However, a couple of bumps will only do some minimal damage. This one has seen hundreds, if not thousands of bumps.

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Personally, I've never had great success with pick guns; both manual or electric. I'm sure it's because I don't practice enough. I know other people who use one religiously. It's typically easier for me just to use a rake at a lock-out. The advantages are that it's universal, and if you are good with it, pretty quick. Like bumping, it does take a toll on the pins, but it doesn't mar the face of the lock. And it looks cool to a customer.

On the other hand, I have sold high-security locks to customers who watched me bump open their lock. However, 99% of the time, I won't use a bump-key unless I'm having issues picking and raking.

As for sound, commercial pick guns aren't quiet. They have a loud "click," which is about the same noise level as a bump hammer makes. I've never used a homemade pick-gun, but they may be quieter.

As discussed in other posts, there can be an issue when it comes to billing a customer if you open their lock in 3 seconds with a single bump. People often don't want to pay the normal rate since it was "so easy" to get them in. They commonly think it shouldn't cost very much since it only took a couple seconds. That can be an issue. Of course, they don't want to pay more if it takes you a long time since they expect you to be "better" at your job. But that's another issue for another post. I bring it up here because it can be a disadvantage when it comes to locksmith field work.
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby billdeserthills » 21 Aug 2016 15:59

You need the blade on the gun to hit all the pins at one time, the practice is only to teach your hand the correct angle to hold the pick gun
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby RumballSolutions » 22 Aug 2016 4:27

All have their uses and all take practice. As a locksmith it makes sense to have more than one method of opening a lock at your disposal. No one method opens all locks quickly.

No one method is superior when it comes to getting cash in your pocket, just do what works.

If you are a hobbyist looking for a challenge then work on your picking skills. When you don't have the constraints of time and money, you can afford to work like an artist.
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby cledry » 22 Aug 2016 16:47

Bump key can damage locks, pick gun can damage locks. Neither is silent.

Advantage to bump keys IMO is that they can get into keyways that confound pick guns.
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby WilsonTrucking » 30 Jul 2017 18:41

If you were going to buy one, what would you buy? Snap Gun or Bump Keys?
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby mseifert » 30 Jul 2017 20:13

WilsonTrucking wrote:If you were going to buy one, what would you buy? Snap Gun or Bump Keys?


I would probably not buy either.. I am not a locksmith only a picker/collector.. I do have a WB I cant seem to pick that I have been considering an alternate method of opening,
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby WilsonTrucking » 30 Jul 2017 20:31

Well I am planning on becoming a licensed locksmith, hence why I am wondering which one I should have. Should I get one or the other or should I just go ahead and get both?
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby pickmonger » 30 Jul 2017 20:47

I made the choice to get both and can tell you that there is a learning curve with all of them.They are not magic super keys that work right out of the box.

I have the manual Brockage Snap Gun, HPC Electric Gun, home made snap guns, and a collection of bump keys.

My reasoning is that I knew that there would always be people asking about them and I wanted to be able to comment from actual experience.

I also enjoy showing people that I trust just how they work and even letting them try them out.
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby cledry » 31 Jul 2017 5:32

WilsonTrucking wrote:Well I am planning on becoming a licensed locksmith, hence why I am wondering which one I should have. Should I get one or the other or should I just go ahead and get both?


Well then, just make your own bump keys when you get your code machine. I must say for the first 15 years or so as a locksmith I didn't even know about bump keys. One day there was an article in The Ledger about them and I immediately made a bump key for an American padlock. A few tries and being totally inexperienced with bump keys other than knowing the amount of tension to apply and it popped open. American padlocks never seemed to work for me with a pick gun, so I would single pick them which took too much time for it to make the job of making a key to one profitable. Most shops used to just drill the rivet out and replace the rivet and screw.

I have had other occasions where a bump key worked that a pick gun wouldn't paracentic keyways and other convoluted keyways. I don't even know where my pick gun is to be honest.
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby billdeserthills » 31 Jul 2017 19:17

I gave up on bump keys, I even bought a real set from someplace (Sparrows?)
I like a pick gun, and I prefer the Majestic, it has a lifetime warranty and I have used it before.

A cheap pick gun works fine though it won't last. A pick gun is trying to bash itself apart with
every click of the trigger, on the inside, so they all break if you use them enough. I would say just
get a cheap pick gun and see if you like it, the better pick guns work the same as the cheap ones, they are just heavy duty construction

Remember, if the needle isn't tight the pick gun won't work properly
first thing I do is get rid of the tiny screw securing the needle (pick) and get the best & biggest
screw you can find at a hardware store to replace it with
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby DangerDane » 2 Aug 2017 5:34

I recently got a set of bump keys to open 2 padlocks I got cheap but without keys. But I can't figure out the right amount of tension to put on the key
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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby femurat » 2 Aug 2017 6:40

DangerDane wrote:I recently got a set of bump keys to open 2 padlocks I got cheap but without keys. But I can't figure out the right amount of tension to put on the key


Which brand/model are we talking about?

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Re: Bump Keys versus Snap Gun

Postby Silverado » 2 Aug 2017 7:24

I ended up with a huge set of bump keys a while back and I have not yet played with them. Need to make a bump hammer some time and try them out. I would like to get a Sparrows double-tap some day too...I have never used a snap gun.
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