Security container, light duty

[Lelandwelds]

Can anyone share some photos or links to something like the Secureit system? Something like StackOn but more flexible and organized? Like Gladiator but better locking and more visible interior? Something like a professional locker room but with french cleats and locks?

Can you suggest better Google search terms? (Tool crib, storeroom, stockroom, armory, depository arent returning images I like)

I will fab it up myself. I want to borrow some ideas and other forums just dont get the security aspect.

[Lelandwelds]

Secureit

http://www.thepicta.com/media/1293708290144057176_2047535164

Stack on

http://www.stack-on.com/product-category/garage-storage

I will find out how to host images next time one of the grandkids comes over.

[billdeserthills]

I bet you can cut that thing open with a machete

[GWiens2001]

I bet you can cut that thing open with a machete

Just don't hold it in your hand when you do!

Gordon

[Lelandwelds]

I have given up on looking for "everything proof" cause there ain't such a thing. I am in the planning stage for a new workshop. I need to lock up my grinders, oxy fuel, blowarc, sawzall, bolt cutters, welding machines, pipe wrenches, sledge hammers, and etc.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ta-50+storage&client=tablet-android-hms-tmobile-us&sa=X&biw=1024&bih=600&noj=1&tbs=vw:g,ss:44&tbm=shop&srpd=17712637547950596329&prds=num:1,of:1,epd:15201619770792025429,cid:16652058216838508938&ved=0ahUKEwi65rGfn-fVAhULxVQKHfm9BJoQgjYIwQI

Kinda dumb for me to provide the tools to steal my stuff. I am thinking locked gate, locked building, locked tool crib, and locked cabinet. With this much trouble and expense, I need to look around for a better idea.

[gumptrick]

Are you looking for security containers themselves, or perhaps just organizational ideas that could be incorporated into something else?

I don't have any personal experience with Secureit. I do have a co-worker who owns a lot of that Stack-On garage storage stuff. I am not impressed with it, it's thin-gauge sheet metal and it feels flimsy to me. Might last OK for "homeowner" type applications but I certainly wouldn't use them in a busy workshop. The locks are pretty much the cheapest you can get. No better than what's on a cheap import filing cabinet. They might keep out a curious 4-year-old but I wouldn't rely on them for much more than that.

I do have some experience with more "industrial grade" storage and organization. The two big brands are Stanley Vidmar and Lista. Both companies offer a full range of cabinets, boxes, wall units, chests-of-drawers, etc. These are made for industrial durability. They are also completely customizeable as far as number and depth of drawers, shelves, etc. I own a few in my business and they've performed for years, even loaded down with heavy power tools, machine tooling, etc. Downside is they are very expensive unless you get lucky and find a used one that happens to suit your needs.

If you are just looking for organizational ideas, I think it would be simple to get a more secure cabinet (or make one given you are a welder) and outfit it with a back panel insert that lets you hang bins or hooks from it. You can use good 'ol pegboard, or you can get those special panels like at the back of the Secureit link you posted that you can hang plastic bins, etc, from. (Check uline.com for that; I think they carry it)

[Lelandwelds]

I need organizational ideas, mostly.

The garage people like the flimsy stuff as long as it matches the color scheme and shows off the shiny tool truck toys. The woodworking guys are interested in reducing wasted motion and efficient layout. Machinists didnt understand why a tool crib or a vending machine wasn't perfectly adequate. The contractors just throw it in a box trailer or cargo container. I could hear the crickets when I asked welders.

Farmers got it and sent me to tape " Successful Farming" on cable. A couple of Army guys mentioned TA-50 and an armouror for some agency talked up Secureit. These are pretty close.

The Lista stuff is beyond nice. I found a bunch at an auction. Some guy ran it up to $1000 per piece and took it all.

I will use Harbor Freight for drawers. I have some lockers and a bifold tall cabinet. I have some wheeled metro carts. I have a fair bit of wall mounted adjustable shelving. I have some barn door track I could make "high density no walkway" storage with. I have a Rotabin, some Navy communication cabinets, a couple unfinished gun vaults, some military surplus aircraft ladders and dog cages, and lots of other crap. Potentially useful crap.

I am sneaking up on the right solution. The biggest shortcoming from everywhere is locking crap up while keeping easy access. I hope somebody will say " my wife's quilting circle" or " my Father in law's gold plated fly tieing room" is set up just like you need. And send me a picture.

I cant afford an expensive mistake. This is my last workshop. I dont want the " wish I had done that".

[Shrub]

Planning your workshop? Not built yet?

Plan for a concrete lined pit in the centre of the floor, a set of steps or a ladder down with shelving around the walls gives you a walk in tool box.
Of course you then make a steel box section frame and weld steel plate on top for the door, the locking system can be modified from an old safe door.
You can go full on covert and configure some camouflage to hide the shut doors.
Just thinking outside the box.

[Lelandwelds]

I still get sarcastic and facetious confused.

I used to work to at a place that put in place a 5S system. We carried everything outside and rearranged and grouped the entire plant by function. Six frustrating months later the improvement was both dramatic and subtle. No way we could have taken a shortcut.

I am at the " its all in the parking lot" stage.

[Lelandwelds]

There are people on this forum with lots of different skills from lots of different backgrounds. Somebody has seen or worked with some slick system that groups items commonly used together. Something that allows convenient access (mobil sub units would be nice) with locked containers which add time to a theft attempt. Something easy to change as needed.

[Shrub]

I still get sarcastic and facetious confused..

I was genuinely trying to help by voicing an alternative idea. My own workshop has walk in vaults for the tools, built when the workshop was built and steel doors with safe locks on. The car inspection pit at my friends house was converted in the way I suggest and it worked very well especially when a car was parked on top of it.

[Lelandwelds]

Both Lista and Vidmar can do more with drawers than I thought possible. I have seen the vertical lift and the carousel systems (extra industrial!). I like pullout shelves so much, I put them in my kitchen. That STAK system could be better than a forklift. They weren't as pretty but I've seen preset tooling carts and storage .

What I think is missing is a tougher locking system. Little cam locks wont cut it.

[gumptrick]

A shop belonging to a friend of mine has a variety of different cabinets/drawers/tool boxes. They welded brackets to the top and bottom and insert a long steel bar through the brackets and padlock it in place when they close up for the night. Even if you defeat the main lock you cannot pull out the drawers because of the bar.

[Shrub]

I still get sarcastic and facetious confused.
.

I did not know what I did wrong, I was trying to help BUT I have RE-read my initial post with the attitude that it was being sarcastic or facetious and I guess I can see it.
I appolagise if I caused offence to anyone.
I have a walk in vault as part of my workshop to keep some of my stuff safe so I really was just making a suggestion.

[Lelandwelds]

Shrub

Sorry, I guess I need to put on my big boy pants. Thanks for the ideas. I am considering a pit with a scissor lift to stand on. I do some oil changes on equipment thats too heavy to lift. I dont want to lug equipment up and down stairs. Its hard enough to motivate myself for some of these jobs.

The old safe door part is interesting. I can buy new key operated safe locks for less than some padlocks. Are they tough to beat?

Gumptrick

I used to work out of a service truck that used a bar like that. Nice thing about it was when a break in was attempted, they attacked the bar first and left the actual toolbox locks alone. The local telco uses an internal locking bar you rotate to lock each bank of toolboxes. When those are attacked, they bend the doors first. Lots of expensive damage.

I had a customer whose service truck had removable tool boxes. They had a dedicated lift and locking system. They were loaded with drawers facing the center of the truck and lifted until they hit an overhead plate. The latch was a 12 volt solenoid. You couldnt rearrange drawers and it is not at all what I want. I still think it was cool.