Antique Diebold Safe May 23 1871 Lock Change Key

[7Country-Folk7]

I have an antique Diebold fire proof floor safe with an outer door's lock with a 3-wheel pack and has May 23 1871 on the dial's knob. This safe also has an inner jewelers door with the same or vey similar lock but has a 4-wheel pack. I can't confirm it but have read that my locks are called an Eagle 161, Peerless, and Kienzle.

I need to know what change key is the proper one for these locks. The change key holes are something like a diamond shape. Does the change key work on both 3 and 4 wheel locks or are there separate ones? If so, please provide the key type/model for both. Thanks

[GWiens2001]

Diebold change key, and there are separate ones for three and four wheel locks.

Gordon

[7Country-Folk7]

Diebold change key, and there are separate ones for three and four wheel locks.

Gordon

Yes, definitely a Diebold change key for a Diebold lock and so I need to know the specific change key that is used for both of these 3 and 4 wheel locks.

[billdeserthills]

Diebold change key, and there are separate ones for three and four wheel locks.

Gordon

Yeah Gordon,
Ya got the part # on that change key?

[GWiens2001]

Diebold change key, and there are separate ones for three and four wheel locks.

Gordon

Yeah Gordon,
Ya got the part # on that change key?

OO-ICU81

Gordon

[7Country-Folk7]

Diebold change key, and there are separate ones for three and four wheel locks.

Gordon

Yeah Gordon,
Ya got the part # on that change key?

OO-ICU81

Gordon

So is 00-ICU81 (I See You Ate One) as a joke, or is there actually a change key that is numbered this way?

Just incase it wasn't a childish joke and was just a coincidence, I tried searching it on bing, google, and yahoo but got no results what-so-ever.

[GWiens2001]

It was just a joke, teasing Bill a bit. No offense meant!

There are a number of possible keys, but IIRC, they all have the same shape. Just different spacing for the flag depending on the lock body and number of wheels. Am waiting for a real safe tech, or at least someone more experienced with safe locks than I to give an accurate answer for the part number.

Gordon

[7Country-Folk7]

It was just a joke, teasing Bill a bit. No offense meant!

There are a number of possible keys, but IIRC, they all have the same shape. Just different spacing for the flag depending on the lock body and number of wheels. Am waiting for a real safe tech, or at least someone more experienced with safe locks than I to give an accurate answer for the part number.

Gordon

WeW! Thank you it was a big relief to hear that you were just teasing Bill !

I have had a very difficult time getting help on this safe and locks for quite a while now. I previously thought was on the right track when I found the couple other forum sites for safes until it wasn't long after signing up on them and asked about my safe, I wasn't getting much if any answers on what was missing and needed to fix my safe but yet was getting replies that they would make a service call to my house and had the parts to fix my safe for a cost.

So just hoping this site was different where I can get some genuine help.

As for "There are a number of possible keys, but IIRC, they all have the same shape" in your reply, sorry but I don't understand what the "IIRC" means

...and when you said you are waiting for a more someone more experienced who can tell me what change keys are needed, does this mean you already know someone who can answer it but just waiting to hear back from them, or are you waiting to come across someone who can answer it because as of right now there isn't anyone you know?

[GWiens2001]

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly.

Gordon

[7Country-Folk7]

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly.

Gordon

Oh ok I don't know many of the abbreviations people use on the internet since often times anymore, one person uses it to mean one thing and another person uses it to mean another.

So concerning my other question in my previous reply to you, I still needed to know "when you said you are waiting for someone more experienced than you who can tell me what change keys are needed, does this mean you already know someone who can answer it but just waiting to hear back from them, or are you waiting to come across someone who can answer it because as of right now there isn't anyone you know?"

[GWiens2001]

When I say that, I mean that I am not a professional Safe tech. We have a number of them who are members, but not every member here is hanging on every thread here at the forum, so it may take time for someone more knowledgeable to see your thread and answer it.

You can Google Diebold Safe Lock key and see what you can find. But as I do not know the exact model of safe lock, did not want to recommend a specific key, then find that is the wrong one. That you might blame me for my incorrect recommendation.

Gordon

[Shrub]

I think there's different profiles depending on flag orientation any of these look right?

[7Country-Folk7]

Shrub " I think there's different profiles depending on flag orientation any of these look right? "



Yes they all look to be right at least based on them having the diamond-shaped profile however some of them might have too short of a shaft that they wouldn't able to be inserted far enough to the tensioner at the back of the lock's body on a 4-wheel pack. The main problems are knowing if I need a 'flag' on my change key and how long does the shaft of it need to be. I have 3 of these peerless/eagle/161 locks ...2 of them have the 3-wheel pack and the other one has the 4-wheel pack. I looked at all of them, and so far it doesn't seem to matter if the shaft of the change key would be a mile long since it would still insert into either style and be able to slide through far enough to reach all of the corresponding 'cogs'.

Last January I even messaged several web sites that specialize in locksmith's tools, sell these hpc-slc change keys, and their site said to send them a message if needing help. I made certain my email address was correct including to let them know if they need pictures and measurements to just let me know. Most recently I messaged them 1 week ago and still haven't received any reply what-so-ever from last January either. I have even seen others on these lock/safe sites from as far back as 2012 and 2014 who have asked the same questions as I have been and can even see how their posts has hundreds of views but yet years later still none of them have an answer....yes some have replies but no answers

So what's wrong here? Does something seem fishy to anybody else? It might seem dumb to some and some may play it off as just being another one of those conspiracy theorist nuts who has nothing better to put their imagination to, but just think about it.... over 5 years of people having asked about the change keys for these exact same locks yet not even one direct answer, and over 7 months of having messaged several web sites that specialize in locksmith's tools yet still no reply, and even after being willing to send measurements using dial calipers if need be but yet at the most all of us have only been told things like they will get back to us as soon as they have an answer or to contact our local locksmith.

Concerning contacting our local locksmiths...none of them would offer free information other than it being free for them to tell me that they can stop out to my house but will have to charge for making a service call...keeping in mind that I ONLY need to know what change key is needed for the lock...but funny how when I said that I would save them the drive out to my place and the need to charge me for a service call by me bringing the lock to them, they just danced around it and started making excuses. I can EASILY understand that locksmiths need to pay their bills and keep their family feed as well. The frivolous situation comes in since I'm not needing any service done on my safe or lock including not needing them to reset my combination...

...they're the equivalent of an elderly person who just bought a new car needing to know where the hood release latch is located but being told that's not covered by the service agreement and to bring it into their service station so they can be more than willing to help charge them for it.

[femurat]

If you can't tell which lock serie you have, just buy the SLC-19 and hope for the best. It's 2 key in one and, worst case scenario, you can carefully use it without the lock cover. Keep in mind that I haven't identified your lock, I'm just making a wild guess based on the chances you have to get the correct key.

But if you actually want to use the safes, consider paying a qualified safe tech to inspect and service the safes. He'll even change the combos for you.

Good luck

[Shrub]

Or get the longest one with flag and if it doesn't work cut the flag off.