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How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

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How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby Kossi » 17 Nov 2017 6:45

I have just recently started picking locks, and so far I have only really picked locks that has 3-4 normal pins. I have a file cabinet that I'm now practicing on, and it's really hard. After getting frustrated, I decided to take a look at the key to see how it looked like, and it has ridges on the top and the bottom.. What do I do? Do I just pick the ones above, then move the tension wrench up while I keep pressure, then pick the ones below? Im confused... What do I do?
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby stratmando » 17 Nov 2017 7:48

May actually be Wafers, you have to apply tension, Work on top pins, bottom pins, top pins, bottom pins, repeat til open, may need the Y type tension to turn, and allow access to both rows. I have done my Ford Truck a couplke of times,(Locked Keys inside)
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby femurat » 17 Nov 2017 8:21

Hello Kossi, I want to welcome you with a friendly advice: don't pick locks in use.

That said, I second stratmando hypothesis: usually file cabinets have wafer locks. Link here a picture of the key and one of the lock and we can tell it for sure.

Cheers :)
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby billdeserthills » 17 Nov 2017 22:17

Sounds like you need a different tension wrench, I don't know about your lock, but
I have a couple of the double sided tension wrenches, they leave the middle of the
keyway wide open
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby Kossi » 28 Nov 2017 2:44

femurat wrote:Hello Kossi, I want to welcome you with a friendly advice: don't pick locks in use.

That said, I second stratmando hypothesis: usually file cabinets have wafer locks. Link here a picture of the key and one of the lock and we can tell it for sure.

Cheers :)


Why not pick locks that are in use?

This is the key, I couldn't really take a decent photo of the lock, but you'll probably be able to tell what it is :) https://imgur.com/a/9OL6x
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby GWiens2001 » 28 Nov 2017 7:35

You don’t pick locks that are in use because picking can cause locks to break, especially with a newer picker.

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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby stratmando » 28 Nov 2017 10:23

Looking at the key gave me an idea of a Pick, would be 2 picks, attached like scissors, so you could go in and out, working on upper and lower wafers/pins at the same time?
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby Wizer » 28 Nov 2017 11:03

Those keys are cut funnily.You can not copy it with a normal cutting wheel, but you can code cut normal looking working keys with the code. Silca blank MLM1.
Kössi, don´t break your file cabinet lock, especially if its at your work.
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby Kossi » 29 Nov 2017 5:47

Wizer wrote:Those keys are cut funnily.You can not copy it with a normal cutting wheel, but you can code cut normal looking working keys with the code. Silca blank MLM1.
Kössi, don´t break your file cabinet lock, especially if its at your work.


I just bought four new padlocks instead :P
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby femurat » 29 Nov 2017 5:53

Well done. Enjoy picking your new padlocks.

Cheers :)
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby Kossi » 29 Nov 2017 8:55

femurat wrote:Well done. Enjoy picking your new padlocks.

Cheers :)


Tough when my tools dont fit.. I have tried with 5 different padlocks now, but none of my tools fit... :( I have a Shouthord MPXS-14 set, and I have been buying all the locks that nearby stores sell but they all have some sort of thing blocking the keyway or they are just really tight :/ I kinda want to order some locks with bigger keyways to practice on, so if you have any tips id really appreciate that :)
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby stratmando » 1 Dec 2017 10:49

If they don't work on a Schlage or Kwikset, you will need different tools? May have to make your own from wiper blades?
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby Squelchtone » 1 Dec 2017 12:53

Kossi wrote:
femurat wrote:Well done. Enjoy picking your new padlocks.

Cheers :)


Tough when my tools dont fit.. I have tried with 5 different padlocks now, but none of my tools fit... :( I have a Shouthord MPXS-14 set, and I have been buying all the locks that nearby stores sell but they all have some sort of thing blocking the keyway or they are just really tight :/ I kinda want to order some locks with bigger keyways to practice on, so if you have any tips id really appreciate that :)


Could you show a photo of your picks next the one of the keyways of the locks they are not fitting into? perhaps your pick is hitting the 1st pin in the keyway?
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Re: How do I pick a lock that has pins above and below?

Postby GWiens2001 » 1 Dec 2017 17:18

Am suspecting that he is dealing with some of the tight paracentric keyways from Europe.

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