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Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

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Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby AlwaysLearningDavid » 29 Dec 2017 13:15

So I ran into a DB with no visible screws. It has a regular bolt, and under it the bolt has holes on the sides, but nothing I put in the holes hits a mortise screw.

I found a pic of the lock, but the site does say what it is.
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The dB on the left.
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby Jacob Morgan » 29 Dec 2017 13:29

Does it have Schlage on it, or does it just otherwise look like the one on the left?

I think Lori sold (and now Ilco sells) deadbolts that used mortise cylinders that have no apparent screws holding them together. One has to use an Allen head wrench to go in by the dead bolt to loosen the screw holding the cylinder. They were popular with some landlords and tenants would be less likely to swap out locks without permission. They would be a slick idea where one wanted to go with an odd-ball keying to deter bumping and such while still having a normal looking deadbolt.
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby GWiens2001 » 29 Dec 2017 14:43

Looks exactly like the Schlage DB locks here where I work. Ours have Everest cylinders installed.

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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby billdeserthills » 29 Dec 2017 17:30

Only three options, either the inner scalp cap comes off (put your hook tool in the bottom of the keyway and pull), the inner rose unscrews & then the scalp comes off, or you put a long 5/64 hex wrench down the holes on either side of the bolt--Is your hex wrench long enough?

Otherwise, it's actual picture taking time
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby AlwaysLearningDavid » 29 Dec 2017 19:42

Thanks everyone, I was really stuck.

I tried to twist and pop the rings (without damaging it) before posting, but still good advice.

And yeah, it was a Lori. 6 months apprenticing and this is my first. :?

Unfortunately all my hex keys were too sort and I needed to run to Lowe's.

5/64. You called it.

Thank you so much guys, that was a 2 hour ticket that took 5 (8 rekeys. 4 levers, 1 electronic with no key and no access to the cylinder without it, 1 panic bar with a sideways rim that the previous guy put in wrong, and 1 Lori). I have GOT to increase my speed. Boss was not happy. :oops:
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby billdeserthills » 30 Dec 2017 1:00

AlwaysLearningDavid wrote:Thanks everyone, I was really stuck.

I tried to twist and pop the rings (without damaging it) before posting, but still good advice.

And yeah, it was a Lori. 6 months apprenticing and this is my first. :?

Unfortunately all my hex keys were too sort and I needed to run to Lowe's.

5/64. You called it.

Thank you so much guys, that was a 2 hour ticket that took 5 (8 rekeys. 4 levers, 1 electronic with no key and no access to the cylinder without it, 1 panic bar with a sideways rim that the previous guy put in wrong, and 1 Lori). I have GOT to increase my speed. Boss was not happy. :oops:


Those holes on either side of the bolt are a dead giveaway--Just wait until you get one that has been assembled backwards-
It will be a single sided Lori lock, the double sided can only be installed correctly

Lori is one of the few locks that comes in a 2" along with a 2 3/8" & 2 3/4" backset

I had a couple of Baldwin double-sided deadbolts that were corroded together--The inside trim screws off, I finally had to
grab it with a channel lock pliers to get them apart--A little touch-up with a sharpie and they were as good as old again

Tell you what used to be a help for me, back when I was apprenticing--Reading the old locksmith magazines--My Dad had years of them--Lots of Tips & Tricks that still work today. Also every catalog I could get my hands on, I would look through. Old or new catalogs are still relevant in Our profession, sometimes even reading sales flyers can teach You stuff.
Immersing yourself in the industry can be very helpful & costs little if you work in a locksmith shop

Don't take it too hard, my last screw-up is still fresh in my mind--I mis-identified a safe--Spent a week drilling it in all the wrong places before I called an expert--He opened it in 10 minutes. I added enough to his bill to cover my broken tool cost and ate a weeks
worth of labor. Sometimes learning can be costly
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby AlwaysLearningDavid » 30 Dec 2017 11:13

Ugh, safe work has me terrified.

Knowing my luck my first solo ticket will be with a safe with a glass relocker and tear gas vials.

I seriously bought a used safe that's been damaged and locked up just so I can practice at home. $40 isn't too bad though for a potentially $500 safe.
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby cledry » 1 Jan 2018 14:49

Bill, a week of safe labor is about $4000 plus the expert's charges.
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby billdeserthills » 2 Jan 2018 10:42

cledry wrote:<censored> Bill, a week of safe labor is about $4000 plus the expert's charges.


Cledry Your shop might charge that kind of money, but the mistake was all my fault.
No reason why my client will have to pay for my mistake
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby cledry » 2 Jan 2018 21:28

billdeserthills wrote:
cledry wrote:<censored> Bill, a week of safe labor is about $4000 plus the expert's charges.


Cledry Your shop might charge that kind of money, but the mistake was all my fault.
No reason why my client will have to pay for my mistake


LOL, my shop would fire someone who took that long. LOL. There is a lot to be said for working for yourself. 3 hours is about the max I allow before I call in a real safe expert. I know when to call it quits or I am losing too much money.
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Re: Weird Schlage DB with no screws. Possibly a mortise?

Postby billdeserthills » 3 Jan 2018 0:37

cledry wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:
cledry wrote:<censored> Bill, a week of safe labor is about $4000 plus the expert's charges.


Cledry Your shop might charge that kind of money, but the mistake was all my fault.
No reason why my client will have to pay for my mistake


LOL, my shop would fire someone who took that long. LOL. There is a lot to be said for working for yourself. 3 hours is about the max I allow before I call in a real safe expert. I know when to call it quits or I am losing too much money.


It was a slow week, but I don't mind losing money to learn something
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