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Yale/Mosler Lock

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Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby djed » 18 Feb 2018 21:48

Is the gear at the bottom of the bolt I am pointing to in the picture supposed to turn? If it doesn't, should I just clean it with brake cleaner and then apply some grease and work it until it does? I hate to start bending the brass lip and mess it up.

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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby 00247 » 18 Feb 2018 22:23

Yes, it should spin. That is a friction fence and I have been told it has some sort of spring set up inside to provide light friction so that when the gear is spinning the friction moves the fence against the wheel pack and into the wheel gates when the correct combination is dialed. Brake cleaner, lacquer thinner, etc, should loosen it up. I wouldn't open it up except as a last resort.

The Yale friction fence lock in my National is slightly different. It does not have the crimped end but is open. Unfortunately, the inner springs are missing and a wound spring was added to the outside of the fence to make it operational. Here is a picture of the inner barrel that shows one of two .010" deep slots. I assume there were slightly bent flat springs in there. IDK. I have never had your style apart, my other 4 fiction fence locks, which are that style, all worked well.

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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby djed » 18 Feb 2018 22:46

I'd be interested to see the spring setup you refer to. None of the friction fence locks that I own have a spring.
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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby 00247 » 18 Feb 2018 23:03

djed wrote:I'd be interested to see the spring setup you refer to. None of the friction fence locks that I own have a spring.


Of course they don't. They have the internal spring in the friction fence assembly. Maybe I didn't make that clear in the last post, The spring is inside the crimped gear/fence assembly.

My National lock is missing the friction fence internals so a external spring was made to take it's place. It works well. Hopefully someone has more knowledge on them to share.


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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby Squelchtone » 18 Feb 2018 23:58

Djed,

Looks like my Mosler 5H. Here is a quick and dirty video of my friction fence and gear in operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkUrZ-EbjQ


Hope that helps
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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby djed » 19 Feb 2018 0:07

Thank you. Will soak in acetone overnight. I've manipulated it for a while and it's not freeing up.
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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby djed » 19 Feb 2018 0:10

Squelchtone - thank you.

My gear takes quite a bit to make it turn.
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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby Squelchtone » 19 Feb 2018 8:20

djed wrote:Squelchtone - thank you.

My gear takes quite a bit to make it turn.


do you mean the gear and fence are stuck as one item together? the gear itself should turn easily around the bolt that secures it any time you turn the dial.

maybe I'm misunderstanding?
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Re: Yale/Mosler Lock

Postby djed » 19 Feb 2018 9:49

The fence is not binding on the shoulder screw. Even off the screw and out of the lock, the gear is binding on the bottom of the fence. I see from your video that it should spin freely. I've cleaned it so I don't believe there is any gunk getting in the way. The gear is also flat as it should be. I'm wondering if one of the internal springs 00247 described is messed up.
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