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Keyway King

Got a question about key machines? not sure what to buy? need a user manual? have some tips for keeping one running well or need help cutting or programming keys? Post here!

Keyway King

Postby Sinifar » 18 Apr 2018 8:52

Okay, anybody using this unit? Ever see one? It is a nifty unit which actually mills keys! It takes awhile to make the things as you need to match the grooving on both sides, but in the end you get a perfect copy of ANYTHING OUT THERE!

I only mention this as in the post on Clearstar we went around on the Hudson / ESP 339C sidewinder. If you know how to do it, you can almost make you own keys with enough mills and time to copy the keys. As in the Yale I mentioned before this is one way to make keys which you do not have access to, but can legally make.

Don't go off and be a pirate. Making pirate keys is a no-no.

There is a time and a reason to make keys on this unit. MY Last job was an extensive Primus system, not ours, in which the gent who had installed it was now the "late gent" and I was asked to take it over -- rather than totally sell them new locks, I used the existing side bar, and milled my own keys for this system. It works and saved somebody a load of cash and made us another client for life.

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Re: Keyway King

Postby billdeserthills » 18 Apr 2018 11:36

The keyway king sounds nice, I have always wished for one but unfortunately whenever I see one for sale
the price is just more than I can justify. Currently when I want to make a key I don't have (usually medeco)
I find a blank that is fairly close & then mill whatever additional grooving is needed on my milling machine--
doesn't take long to add a couple of grooves to a handful of blanks and it sure looks nicer than the old dremel
tool adapted keys of yesteryear
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Re: Keyway King

Postby GWiens2001 » 18 Apr 2018 11:59

billdeserthills wrote:The keyway king sounds nice, I have always wished for one but unfortunately whenever I see one for sale
the price is just more than I can justify. Currently when I want to make a key I don't have (usually medeco)
I find a blank that is fairly close & then mill whatever additional grooving is needed on my milling machine--
doesn't take long to add a couple of grooves to a handful of blanks and it sure looks nicer than the old dremel
tool adapted keys of yesteryear


+1 on all points.

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Re: Keyway King

Postby jeffmoss26 » 20 Apr 2018 18:52

"I tried smoking a blank once. I was never able to keep the tip lit long enough to inhale." - ltdbjd
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Re: Keyway King

Postby Jacob Morgan » 21 Apr 2018 18:22

billdeserthills wrote:The keyway king sounds nice, I have always wished for one but unfortunately whenever I see one for sale
the price is just more than I can justify. Currently when I want to make a key I don't have (usually medeco)
I find a blank that is fairly close & then mill whatever additional grooving is needed on my milling machine--
doesn't take long to add a couple of grooves to a handful of blanks and it sure looks nicer than the old dremel
tool adapted keys of yesteryear


The Keyway King machines always reminded me of a horizontal milling machines. And one of the old bench-top horizontal milling machines would be a perfect substitute for a Keyway King, if an arbor was made to hold the Keyway King cutters. MBA sells the Keyway King cutters.

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Horizontal mills of any size are hard to find these days, but used to be common. One of their features was an arbor on which one could gang up various cutters and machine complex shapes all at once. Atlas made hobby-size machines that fit on a bench top. They probably don't go for any less than a used Keyway King unless one pops up on the local Craigslist.

Might be away to do horizontal milling on without a horizontal mill. Machine an arbor so all the cutters needed could be ganged up on it, then put that on a vertical mill and clamp a key face towards you, blade horizontal, then mill all the cuts at once. The blade of a key is so narrow the arbor should only need to be supported on one end. Could do it on a lathe too, if one had a milling vise attachment for it. Could even support the other end of the arbor with the tail stock. Might save time if several keys need to be made.
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Re: Keyway King

Postby cledry » 22 Apr 2018 22:08

Sinifar wrote:Okay, anybody using this unit? Ever see one? It is a nifty unit which actually mills keys! It takes awhile to make the things as you need to match the grooving on both sides, but in the end you get a perfect copy of ANYTHING OUT THERE!

I only mention this as in the post on Clearstar we went around on the Hudson / ESP 339C sidewinder. If you know how to do it, you can almost make you own keys with enough mills and time to copy the keys. As in the Yale I mentioned before this is one way to make keys which you do not have access to, but can legally make.

Don't go off and be a pirate. Making pirate keys is a no-no.

There is a time and a reason to make keys on this unit. MY Last job was an extensive Primus system, not ours, in which the gent who had installed it was now the "late gent" and I was asked to take it over -- rather than totally sell them new locks, I used the existing side bar, and milled my own keys for this system. It works and saved somebody a load of cash and made us another client for life.

Sinifar


Schlage will turn over a system to another locksmith or end user when a locksmith can no longer service the sidebar or keyway. If just needing to mill sidebar cuts then why not swap to your sidebar?
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