why cant i pick this lock??

[Steaksandwich21]

does anyone know if this lock has any security features???
i dont know anything about it except it has a "L" engraved by the keyway.
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[Steaksandwich21]

this is the image

[oldlock]

Is that the actual cylinder or just to show the type ? The one pictured looks like a Schlage S2000 type to me ? which may have a sidebar and spools etc ...

Paul

[Cman22]

If that is a schlage chances are it will have spools. Check out this post on picking spools. viewtopic.php?t=4605&highlight=spool

[acl]

Possibly Chubb Biaxel

[SFGOON]

Are you new to lockpicking, sammich? That lock looks like a real SOB and is probably high security. Try getting a Kwikset, they're among the easier models. Once you've gotten a real good "feel" going go for the one you got there. Trying for too hard a lock so early on will just frustrate you. Baby steps my friend, baby steps.

[Teus]

if it's high-security it's harder to drill, more precisely machined and it will use "pick-proof" drivers pins (serrated, spool, mushroom...)

[Steaksandwich21]

so in other words, im over my head. i thought it might have spool pins which ive figured how to pick(i think) but im gonna leave that lock til later. ive got a master lugage lock im gonna pick.
thanks for the help
steve

[NikonGuy]

Back when I was in the Army, stationed in Germany, I was (un)fortunate enough to be the key control for the barracks. Lost keys were the bane of my existance - why did it have to always be the weekends?

Anyway, the barracks room doors were cored with these very things. "Rather strange looking thing," I recall saying to myself after removing one. One long retaining screw into the door and lock housing kept it all in place. To remove this core from the housing, you'd need to give the issue (or master) key a 1/4 turn to align that nub vertical.

Those that I removed were simply replaced with a new core, and $50 deducted from the pay of the poor sap who lost his key. Although we had spare keys to issue, the loss of a key required a recore. It was the simplest cores I've changed out - of the 5 or so I've ever done.

Picking was never necessary, we always had the master key in the safe. As I recall, however, the key path was really narrow and the key was a decidedly non-US type of die.

Nice stroll down memory lane.

[acl]

Nikonguy,where were you stationed i was born in Wegberg west germany my old fella(god rest) was there 60-68ish

[wilb]

hi
assuming u dont have a key for this euro cylinder and cant spin the plug u could always try this , Im not sure who makes that lock but i would expect to c along the "top edge" of the cylinder burr type inserts over the top of the chambers, on one side u could drill these out with a small sharp hss drill bit and simply "empty the chambers of top /bot pin and spring ,note the legnth of each bottom pin with corresponding chamber, u can now graph a shape of the key cuts, use this info to c if u can pick the other side, also u can now remove centre clip and pull the plug out to examine for sidebars or whatever, when u are done u can pop plug back in clip back on tap top of chambers for small hex grub screws and its now a great practice lock cos u can "play "about really easily with spool pins how many chambers u use ect because of easy grub screw access.

cheers wilb

[NikonGuy]

Nikonguy,where were you stationed i was born in Wegberg west germany my old fella(god rest) was there 60-68ish

I was stationed at the Rhine Ordnance Barracks in Kaiserslautern. Date was April 1994 through 1997. While there I had exercises all over SW Germany, but alas the names of locations escape me, all but the (in)famous Baumholder. Very hilly and cold in winter. PT was killer on those roads! I was searching the web for references to ROB, but from the looks of things my old unit cleared out and rotated back to the US and are now at Ft. Bliss.

[NikonGuy]

On Abloy.com there is a photo of a mechanism that is similar to the OP's photo. Though Steak's photo doesn't look like the one seen on Abloy's site, I thought it worth mentioning anyway.

My guess is that this is a common type in Europe. Perhaps some of our friends from across the pond can shed some light.

Cheers!

[NikonGuy]

My guess is that this is a common type in Europe. Perhaps some of our friends from across the pond can shed some light.

It might also be an Abus (google it). Found this name suggestion here on LP101.