Euro Profile Cylinders: VDS B/BZ vs TS007 2014

[Aruaria]

The above title question arises from the necessity to get out of the fog of war regarding security standards of the euro profile cylinder.
Why?
I was shocked when recently Han Fey told me that the Abloy protec2 with a solid steel bar and fully hardened body is indeed extremely weak against snapping attacks. In fact, it offers very modest resistance.
At this juncture, the three most used methods for breaking in are: lock snapping, rotor extraction by pulling and bumping. Lockpicking and drilling are, for better or worse, methods that are not frequently encountered.
It seems to me that VDS standards, whether B or even BZ require the cylinder to be protected by an escutcheon/defender. If they are not, they will eventually be snapped.
So, we have extremely expensive cylinders (that I own all for collection purposes) such as the EVVa 4KS, MCS the Abloy Protec, the Ikon WSW, the DOM Diamant, the Keso 8000, the Kaba Penta, the Mul-T-Lock Mt5plus and so on and so forth…that while offering (you are paying for it) great key copy protection, outstanding masterizing properties and lockpicking/manipulation resistance…offer insufficient protection, when used by themselves (without escutcheon) against snapping. Here in Italy lots of folks use the Cisa Astral S, but bear in mind that even if you pay for an RS3 that anti snapping laminated feature is the same throughout their entire line of cylinders. Here’s what happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPK1lLT55mQ
So, wrapping it up, I’ll pay something north of 180 euros for a keso 8000 with a VDS BZ approved standard but…that if attacked with mole grippers will succumb eventually. I’d have to buy a Disec Krypton defender to feel safer. So the cost skyrockets way up.
This puzzles me beyond belief.
On the other hand, we have a country where most doors are not armored, very few escutcheons are employed, and cylinder snapping is on the rise. Hence the necessity to create a cylinder that would resist snapping attacks WITHOUT the need of an escutcheon. That cylinder has to pass the TS007 2014 and maybe possibly be Sold Secure Diamond. That country is England.
In conclusion, I can buy a Yale Platinum 3 stars (ok, not great against lockpicking, but then again it’s not necessary) for 38 euros shipped and know that I’m protected against snapping, rotor extraction and bumping…..again for 38 euros. Or I can can go with a Keso 8000…Evva..Abloy, pay a fortune and then have to STILL buy ta quality escutcheon.
Does someone understand my point and have some thoughts?

[jwrm22]

I do have some high security locks.
Ranging from Evva 3Ks to ZI IKON magnetic and Abloy protecs.
But as it comes to home I don't think they are worth it.

Evva, Abloy, Bilock all have incredible amounts of options that a regular customer does not need.
But if you have an airport with 5k to 10k locks with a 10 tier MKS you do need those options.
(I don't know is a 10 tier is realistic in use. But I think Protec and 3KS can do so with ease and without compromising much security.)

The NW5 series of Mauer is explosive proof. Meaning if something explodes near the lock the lock will operate fine.
I don't set of explosives in my house so I don't care for the feature. but the military and goverment will want it and pay it up.

I can get something much more suitable for a lot cheaper.
At the moment I'm considering buying M&C Color Pro cylinders.
It looks a bit like the yale superior but it's much better build quality.
Also I'm a huge fan of the Cisa Astral because the solution is so clever!

[Aruaria]

Hi there!
First of all thanks for taking the time to answer.
I hear what you say about high-end cylinders capable of operating in the range of 10 tiers with no issues. But if i get home and find my Protec broken in half cause i thought it was a high security cylinder (yes in terms of snapping too), i'll be disappointed and pissed.
A few interesting points now:
-The Cisa Astral is considered a very basic security in Italy. The other day i went to make 2 copies of the keys to send them to a friend in Spain (he can't copy them in the city where he is - the way i see it it's a very good news), so i brought the key and the security card. The clerk told me he didn't need the card as the Astral in its general configuration is open for duplication. I observed how this is true for the AP3 as well, even if it shouldn't. Truth is, that with code engraved on the key itself, they can make a copy right away.
With me i carried a yale platinum key. Showed it to the clark and asked for a copy. His eyes popped as he had never seen it, said he couldn't do it as he had no blanks. Obviously the Platinum is for domestic market only. So, even though key copying in the yale platinum is not protected, out of England you seem to have a very secure key. ALSO Yale's choice not to engrave codes on the key is simply a great idea in itself. Do not forget: The Astral is sold in England but hasn't passed TS007 for snapping. This tells a lot.

-The Yale superior is just a rebranded Millenco Magnum and only has 1 star, which means you need a PAS24 fitting to go with it. In any case here's what happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERVrC3hOn0

- The ABS Avocet is a no go and not because there's a cheap chinese tool that opens them. The cylinder is well conceived but the magnet in the key attracts debris that can get into the rotor and cause the cylinder to fail or malfunction. It has happened time and again. Not pretty.

Last but not least a very interesting point to consider, regarding TS007. Israel Mul-T-Lock has in its MT5 plus one of, if not the securest cylinder in their range. Well, that cylinder fails against snapping, it has a few steel bars inserted in the body but they are insufficient as when attacked with grippers using a downward vertical movement the cam detaches and cylinder bends til it breaks. SO, WHAT DOES MUL T LOCK DO? They come up with a special cylinder just for the UK market, which can't compare to the MT5 in terms of picking resistance BUT surpasses it when it comes to snapping. That cylinder is the relatively affordable Mul T Lock XP which, incidentally is TS007 and Sold Secure Diamond approved....unlike the glorious Mt5. All this with no need for EXTRA ESCUTCHEONS.
Cheers!!!