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Kwikset Smart Key

Thinking of upgrading your door security? Getting a better deadbolt or padlock? Getting a new frame or better hinges? Not sure what brand or model to go with for your particular application? Need a recommendation? Feel free to ask for advice here!

Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby GWiens2001 » 24 Mar 2016 11:16

billdeserthills wrote:
cledry wrote:I would like to see someone put the Abloy cylinder in a Kwikset deadbolt just for giggles.




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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby coderz » 3 Sep 2018 10:48

GWiens2001 wrote:It is absolutely not the same as picking a wafer lock.

It won't open by bumping, but bumping would destroy the lock so fast it is not even close to funny. As for 'pick proof' - it is not pick proof. Have picked it myself, and I am not the greatest at picking. But you need to understand how the lock works to effectively pick the lock. And do not use heavy tension.

Gordon


You were right. I know I'm resurrecting an old topic here, but the sidebar on older generation 1 and 2 Kwikset Smartkey systems DID allow picking since the sidebar didn't prevent binding individual wafers and the wafer true gates were bigger than the false gates.

On the newest smartkey gen3 locks I actually want to say this is a decent product. I really like it anyway. It's 100% impossible to pick UNLESS, you use a shim to tension the sidebar. There are videos of people doing this online, and I can confirm it does work. It's also still DIFFICULT at this point.

The kind of people that can do that won't be burglars anyway more than likely. In any case, their gen3 is also drill resistant, and to the best of my knowledge their you can't use dumb keys or force them to turn and unlock the lock. You can get it to turn, but it won't engage and unlock.

The gen3 is vastly better than the previous two, and I will say it seems like a solid product. A little improvement protecting the sidebar in gen4 and they would have an amazing product.
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby billdeserthills » 3 Sep 2018 11:16

I will agree that the current Smart key offering is better than previous. Unfortunately I find they still
don't hold up well in the field, because the deadbolt strikes on many doors don't line up very well and
forcing the bolt into place while using the key seems to break these locks quite quickly, and then I find
they refuse to reset to a different key. Also these locks don't seem to like the fine dust we have blowing
around in my state either
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby coderz » 3 Sep 2018 13:09

billdeserthills wrote:I will agree that the current Smart key offering is better than previous. Unfortunately I find they still
don't hold up well in the field, because the deadbolt strikes on many doors don't line up very well and
forcing the bolt into place while using the key seems to break these locks quite quickly, and then I find
they refuse to reset to a different key. Also these locks don't seem to like the fine dust we have blowing
around in my state either


Very interesting! When you break them though is this engaging the deadbolt to allow access, or just breaking the lock? If it just breaks the lock I think of that as a success for kwikset and the lock did its job. In the case of a criminal breaking in the lock is broken but the criminal didn't gain access.
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby billdeserthills » 3 Sep 2018 13:53

coderz wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:I will agree that the current Smart key offering is better than previous. Unfortunately I find they still
don't hold up well in the field, because the deadbolt strikes on many doors don't line up very well and
forcing the bolt into place while using the key seems to break these locks quite quickly, and then I find
they refuse to reset to a different key. Also these locks don't seem to like the fine dust we have blowing
around in my state either


Very interesting! When you break them though is this engaging the deadbolt to allow access, or just breaking the lock? If it just breaks the lock I think of that as a success for kwikset and the lock did its job. In the case of a criminal breaking in the lock is broken but the criminal didn't gain access.


What I mean is forcing the bolt to go into it's strike when both do line up properly seems to result in a smart key lock that refuses to stay combinated to a new key. Then you will no longer be able to use the original key either, which leaves my client with either having to buy a new lock or unable to open their door with a key any longer--either way, I come off as the bad guy, plus at this point I have performed a service by trying to rekey their faulty lock that I cannot charge for, which annoys me as I have now wasted my time
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby coderz » 3 Sep 2018 16:54

billdeserthills wrote:
coderz wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:I will agree that the current Smart key offering is better than previous. Unfortunately I find they still
don't hold up well in the field, because the deadbolt strikes on many doors don't line up very well and
forcing the bolt into place while using the key seems to break these locks quite quickly, and then I find
they refuse to reset to a different key. Also these locks don't seem to like the fine dust we have blowing
around in my state either


Very interesting! When you break them though is this engaging the deadbolt to allow access, or just breaking the lock? If it just breaks the lock I think of that as a success for kwikset and the lock did its job. In the case of a criminal breaking in the lock is broken but the criminal didn't gain access.


What I mean is forcing the bolt to go into it's strike when both do line up properly seems to result in a smart key lock that refuses to stay combinated to a new key. Then you will no longer be able to use the original key either, which leaves my client with either having to buy a new lock or unable to open their door with a key any longer--either way, I come off as the bad guy, plus at this point I have performed a service by trying to rekey their faulty lock that I cannot charge for, which annoys me as I have now wasted my time


Oh. I see your point, hopefully the ones I just instslled the doorknob ones last. Their durability could be bad, but their security against picking seems fine. I guess we'll find out.
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