Mosler floor safe

[Sleutelboertje]

Ok, thank you for you info.
So the 5b has or can have 3 wheels? I can’t find any info on the net.
Now I understand why I can’t feel proper contact points. Even one is a probably tricky for me.
What I would like is a drawing or photo of the inside of an lock like I have. Is this ok here in this topic or is this forbidden? I would like to see te inside so I know what I’am dealing with.
Feels like a small step closer

[00247]

Here is a video (not great) of the movement of the friction fence inside a Yale/Mosler 5H from a Mosler Screw Door Bank Safe. The enclosed style of the lock case makes it difficult to show



My video skills improved a bit with this video of a Yale 065 1/2 friction fence lock in my National Manganese Money Chest. This one is an indirect drive so there is another gear involved but the friction fence action is similar. The open style case makes for good viewing. You will have to put up with watching the time lock action and the movement of the inner door bolt work as I am to lazy to edit the video.

[MartinHewitt]

Thanks! Never seen a friction fence lock in Real-Life[TM]. Never seen one on ebay here in Europe.

What is this this lever on top of the lock which blocks the fence? Is this a relocker? What controls it?

[00247]

The lever is controlled by the time lock to secure the safe internally. Usually in cannonball safes and bank chests the time lock operates independent bolt work on the inner side of the door to lock the door on the inside of the safe. The combination lock only secures the opening mechanism and serves as a day lock with minimal security.

This National is different. The time lock drops the lever to jamb the friction fence when the bolt is extended. The dial not only operates the lock it also moves all of the door locking bolts once the friction fence engages. Not the best of designs as it puts heavy loads to the moving parts of the lock and increases wear. It is also inconvenient to dial the numbers and move the bolt work as the dial is recessed into the door. All cool as hell though!

[stratmando]

If newer safes are easier than this, why don't they still use this method or technique?

Edit, I totally missed second page looks most interesting. Will have to check out after work.

[Sleutelboertje]

I can see now how it works! Thanks for posting.
Now waiting for bitbuster Hope he can give me the type number of the lock.

[MartinHewitt]

The lever is controlled by the time lock to secure the safe internally.

Thanks. With the constricted space it makes sense to use an alternative way to interface the time lock.

[MartinHewitt]

I think "free-standing" has less potential for misunderstanding and so I prefer it too.

Just looked on ebay for "wall safe" (actually the German word) and got mostly the cheap potato safes which can be screwed to the wall, but also a few safes which can be built into the wall and a few really big ones, which can be put next to a wall. When we accept that every word can mean anything then there will be no more misunderstandings.

[stratmando]

Aloha

[Sleutelboertje]

THis is a picture of the side. I found some differance. On the top
: the front strip is not connected with the back strip. Maybe helpfull for some people to indentify.

[Sleutelboertje]

I have some news on the safe. Not open yet
But when I put the safe on its side, handle above the dial and put presure on the handle the lock is binding. To the right a little scraping and to the left it almost stop (jacked). When I take a little pressure of the handle left it’s stil scraping but not jacked. So maybe not the 5b but 10 or 10 1/2?

[MartinHewitt]

If there is indeed a 10* lock inside and you do not get good binding when turning the handle (did you try both directions?), then some part of the bolt work must be broken. You do not want this. So let's rather assume, that it is not a 10* and it comes from changes in the location of the fence/lever/bolt.

[Sleutelboertje]

Hello Martin,
I have in both direction friction. Only to the left some more friction. So I hope things are not broken...... I have just tested.

[billdeserthills]

If newer safes are easier than this, why don't they still use this method or technique?

Edit, I totally missed second page looks most interesting. Will have to check out after work.

Cause the CEO of the company wanted a big bonus,
That's why most every lock is mostly made from pot metal too
Schlage finally caught up with Kwikset, almost entirely pot metal junk

[Sleutelboertje]

OK, safe is open!
Happy with the backplate of te door. Now I have to paint the outside black!

What do you think: is the wood inside the safe original? Old carpet on the floor?

By the way, lock was friction fence lock Mosler (yale) 5H with 3 wheels.