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False set

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False set

Postby James5 » 25 Jan 2019 15:01

Can you have a false set with an over set pin?
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Re: False set

Postby Squelchtone » 25 Jan 2019 15:32

James5 wrote:Can you have a false set with an over set pin?


That's a good question and thank you for asking it.

My short answer: Not really, kinda. depends on who you ask.

For me, I have always seen pin states as being these 5 possibilities: at rest, under set, set, false set, or over set.

Some folks categories anything other than at rest and set, as a false set because you think it is set but it is not, some would say an over set pin qualifies as a false set.

To me personally a false set is when a spool shaped security driver pin in the lock falls over and gets stuck causing the plug to rotate a little but not turn enough to open the lock.

Take a look at page 14 of this PDF http://www.lockpickguide.com/support-files/lsiguide.pdf
*They do not go into spool pins on that page, but the over set and under set are labeled as False Sets. I dont agree with it, because to me false set is to do with spool pins, but I get where they are coming from and perhaps I have been wrong to not include those pin states in my definition.

hope this helps,
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Re: False set

Postby Jack002 » 10 Feb 2019 14:53

Get a practice lock with one or more spool pins. You will see for yourself what a false set is.
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