Next method to open Pin Tumbler Locks

[stratmando]

Seems like when all methods to pick a tumbler locks are thought to be figured, another comes along. Not sure how long Bumping has been around, then came the Lishi.
Picking
Raking
Jiggling
Bumping
Pick Gun
Electric Pick
Lishi
Did I miss any? Any other thoughts of another?
Do you feel there is nothing left?
Only working with the pins, don't include shimming, Rapping or Bypassing. Just the pins. Thanks

[tpark]

I think the next way is to have a tiny ultrasonic transponder on the end of a probe. By measuring the reflection time from the end of the pin, the size of the pins can be measured, and from that, a key could be made.

[billdeserthills]

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[Tyler J. Thomas]

There have been (patented no less) decoders for pin tumbler locks. Does that count?

[stratmando]

Yes, decoding does, the lishi picks and decodes.
I think any decoding needs to be done after lock is picked.
How about Decoding by Pin Color?

[demux]

How about Decoding by Pin Color?

Might work if the lock has been rekeyed at some point by someone with a universal kit, but if it's still OEM setup I suspect all the pins would be just plain (e.g. non-color coded).

[Tyler J. Thomas]

How about Decoding by Pin Color?

Might work if the lock has been rekeyed at some point by someone with a universal kit, but if it's still OEM setup I suspect all the pins would be just plain (e.g. non-color coded).

Even then, not all aftermarket kits utilize the same colors for the same depths. Heck, it’s not even uniform amongst one manufacturer.

[GWiens2001]

The LAB kit I have has a lot of the same colors used for the same type of lock. So decoding, for example, a Schlage by color won't work since all the pins used for Schlage depths are green.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

The LAB kit I have has a lot of the same colors used for the same type of lock. So decoding, for example, a Schlage by color won't work since all the pins used for Schlage depths are green.

Gordon

Sounds like an .003 kit

[tpark]

The LAB kit I have has a lot of the same colors used for the same type of lock. So decoding, for example, a Schlage by color won't work since all the pins used for Schlage depths are green.

Gordon

Sounds like an .003 kit

Wow - I looked in my kit, and so they are! They use 5 different colors, and the the depth increment is 3 thou and Schlage uses a 15 thou depth increment, so it kind of makes sense that they'd all be the same color. The actual Schlage kit and the lab mini dur-x kits don't have colored pins.

[jwrm22]

There are quite a few more techniques but not commonly known or used.

Just a note about lock decoding by ultrasonic patents.
It's easier to apply for a patent than it is to make a working tool.

[stratmando]

There are quite a few more techniques but not commonly known or used.

Just a note about lock decoding by ultrasonic patents.
It's easier to apply for a patent than it is to make a working tool.

Can you tell us more, or at least 1 of the others.
Sometimes you can see the pin length through keyhole. May be able to lift front pins and determine the rest?

[stratmando]

Almost forgot Comb Picks and driving pins out of the Bible.

[stratmando]

There are quite a few more techniques but not commonly known or used.

Just a note about lock decoding by ultrasonic patents.
It's easier to apply for a patent than it is to make a working tool.

Trying to list ALL known methods, if you can say, would be appreciated, if they are Super Secret we can't know about, Don't say . Thanks

[jwrm22]

There are quite a few more techniques but not commonly known or used.

Just a note about lock decoding by ultrasonic patents.
It's easier to apply for a patent than it is to make a working tool.

Trying to list ALL known methods, if you can say, would be appreciated, if they are Super Secret we can't know about, Don't say . Thanks

What's the purpose of the list?

Just from the top of my head I would include "Sputnik" lockpick, impressioning, and tryout keys.
Books like "Locks Safes and security" appear to be full of methods. All known but not used much or not too useful.