Next method to open Pin Tumbler Locks

[stratmando]

There are quite a few more techniques but not commonly known or used.

Just a note about lock decoding by ultrasonic patents.
It's easier to apply for a patent than it is to make a working tool.

Trying to list ALL known methods, if you can say, would be appreciated, if they are Super Secret we can't know about, Don't say . Thanks

What's the purpose of the list?

Just from the top of my head I would include "Sputnik" lockpick, impressioning, and tryout keys.
Books like "Locks Safes and security" appear to be full of methods. All known but not used much or not too useful.

No Purpose, just thinking their are a few ways. Forgot Impressioning, Was hesitant to list tryout keys, but does qualify, Sputnik I believe may only be tubular, also qualifies, was thinking more in line pins. Are you talking about Marc's LSS+? Thanks for the input.

[Squelchtone]

No Purpose, just thinking their are a few ways. Forgot Impressioning, Was hesitant to list tryout keys, but does qualify, Sputnik I believe may only be tubular, also qualifies, was thinking more in line pins. Are you talking about Marc's LSS+? Thanks for the input.

Sputnik IS for inline pins.

But before this thread gets derailed with too many details at end up qualifying it as Advanced, let's keep specialized tools and bypass out of it please.

Squelchtone

[stratmando]

Had seen seen Sputnik years ago, did think it was Tubular, Thanks.
Before I ever saw thought of something similar, but was Key Specific, Basically key would be cut at shallowest depths with individual Wires for each pin. Figured milling along key for the wires. Sputnik is way better than what I was thinking. It would do a Schlage and a Kwikset for example. I figured Schlage and Kwikset to be 2 different tools. Lot of Talented Craftsmen out there, and Here.

[stratmando]

I think the next way is to have a tiny ultrasonic transponder on the end of a probe. By measuring the reflection time from the end of the pin, the size of the pins can be measured, and from that, a key could be made.

Would be determined by the Frequency it Resonates at?

[Raccoon]

If you have access to the rear of the cylinder, there's also shimming. Single pin pick and shim from back to front, no rotational tension.

[sticksauras]

There are quite a few more techniques but not commonly known or used.

Just a note about lock decoding by ultrasonic patents.
It's easier to apply for a patent than it is to make a working tool.

thanks for sharing , need to contact the suppliers at the next trade show

[YouLuckyFox]

Amen to this. There is a valley between trade secrets and patents. If the tool is very useful but not differentiating enough it is made a trade secret and the rest of the market doesn't hear about it, otherwise you'd submit your competitive advantage for patent and be denied, and the submission would be public record for competitors to replicate. If the tool has has a distinguishing feature but no one has patented it, you have to ask yourself if you are truly the first person to think of it or is it not worth patenting and renewing. If you can't make money on the invention you are patenting at a loss. Just because it can be patented doed not mean there are customers for it.
Source: Have a few patents and a few trade secrets. Was surprised by the process in my first innovation review meeting with corporate attorneys, thought I should share.