LaGard group 2 locking dial

[manueltrabajo]

I have acquired a LaGard group 2 top reading lock from a bank and am having a great deal of fun with it. BUT there is one aspect of this lock that is a mystery to me. There is a keyed lock in the dial that locks the dial itself. One set of keys was provided with the lock which, when turned 90 degrees and removed, locks the dial at 100. There is a second set of keys that have a different bitting, and can be turned to the 90 degree position and the 180 degree position. Could someone tell me the function of the 180 degree position please? Thanks!

[manueltrabajo]

I am thinking that it is not the programming function, but don't know.

[Squelchtone]

you got a pic man? I'm not sure what you mean. and are you turning the dial 90 or 180 degrees or just the cam lock core? typically the geometry of the dial ring will have a couple places that the cam lock can engage locking the dial at that position.. Maybe you were given keys from 2 similarly bitted locking dials?

is it this dial?

[Squelchtone]

If it is not that exact model it is very similar. I am trying to get a pic up from imgur. I'm not talking about turning the dial, I'm talking about turning the key 90 or 180 degrees. The key that was in the dial turns 90deg. When the dial is at 0/100 and when that key is removed the dial is locked up so that it cannot turn. If that key is not removed jiggling the dial back and forth will return the key to the unlocked position, allowing the dial to function normally. The other key can be turned 90 deg. at which point it feels like some master wafer funny business is going on, but can also be turned 180 deg. Sorry for the confusion.
http://imgur.com/nOULpFa
The 90 deg. key is marked Nxxxx and the 180 deg. key is marked Rxxxx. The numerical portion is the same and matches the stamping on the keyed lock.

https://i.imgur.com/nOULpFa.jpg

[Squelchtone]

you got me man, probably just a fluke or the wrong key being given to you that also happens to operate the simple wafer lock. the key should always turn 180 degrees to lock the dial. sometimes you have to turn the dial a little left or right to find the sweet spot for the wafer lock plug to turn.

maybe some more experienced safe dudes here can chime in,
Squelchtone

[femurat]

The second key may be the service key? The one used to remove Rhea wafer lock from the dial.
Thus is just a wild guess, but it's worth a shot. Try to rotate the key and pull gently to see if the lock comes out.

Cheers

[manueltrabajo]

I figured it out. The 90 deg. key allows the dial to turn, but is captive. The 180 deg. Key allows the dial to turn, but can be removed. Thanks for the input guys. It helps to be able to bounce ideas off of someone.

[Squelchtone]

I figured it out. The 90 deg. key allows the dial to turn, but is captive. The 180 deg. Key allows the dial to turn, but can be removed. Thanks for the input guys. It helps to be able to bounce ideas off of someone.

I'm sorry but this is confusing, what's the point of either key if the end result is that the dial is free to turn? the point is to lock the dial using the key and to remove and take the key with you? I'm not following.

[manueltrabajo]

It doesn't make much sense to me either. What I'm thinking is that the bank wanted some kind of arrangement that was more convenient for the teller or something like that. Keep in mind, this lock was on a kind of filing cabinet looking thing, with 1/2" soft steel door and the rest of the box was maybe 12 ga. steel. It was made for more rapid access than a higher security container. At some point I may gut the keyed lock. Who knows, maybe it's broken. Right now I don't care, I'm having fun with the combo lock.

[manueltrabajo]

BTW Squelchtone, you can still lock the knob, remove the key(either one) and walk away.

[MartinHewitt]

I know that for German safe locks were locking-only keys available, but for a S&G dial it would be news for me. But nearly everything is news to me what is related to a locking S&G dial.