Screw retainer for KIK cylinders

[vrocco]

It’s been a while since I have posted here. Some of you may remember me. I have a locksmithing issue that I’ve been unable to solve despite my best googling.

I am pinning up a bunch of old KIK cylinders that I have acquired over the years as progressive practice sets for a class I’m teaching. I’ve pulled a bunch with KW1 keyways out but many are missing the screw on cap at the rear that holds the plug in the cylinder. I’ve found a few on other KIK cylinders that fit, but the majority of the ones I have seem to be a different thread and won’t screw on the whole way. I have no idea who the actual manufacturer of the cylinders is. I don’t have an issue buying some parts but I haven’t been able to find just these end caps on any of the normal distributors I deal with (HL Flake, Lockmasters, etc.)

Can anyone point me to where to buy these parts? Or have a bunch laying around they want to sell cheap?

Thanks in advance!

[femurat]

I do remember you. It's nice to have you back. Good luck with your search.

Cheers

[billdeserthills]

Been a locksmith for decades & I have never seen any replacement screw caps for sale anywhere but possibly E-bay.
I have noticed that there only seems to be 2 different threads on most of the caps I have seen. The one used by weiser/baldwin & the schlage/emtek--what's the difference if the wrong cap only screws on partway, it's only there to keep all the pins/springs from flying out anyhow, right?

[vrocco]

Agreed it’s only there to keep the plug in but I have also noticed that when it isn’t screwed in all the way it allows the plug to move in and out slightly when you insert or remove a key. This often results in the key getting stuck as you pull out because the plug pulls out slightly. Not the end of the world. You can usually just hold the plug with a finger as you pull the key out. However, I wanted to make these sets function as smoothly as possible for newbies.

Knowing that the screw caps alone can’t be bought, I’ll probably use what I have and just educate people on the plug movement issue. Thanks for your response.

[billdeserthills]

Agreed it’s only there to keep the plug in but I have also noticed that when it isn’t screwed in all the way it allows the plug to move in and out slightly when you insert or remove a key. This often results in the key getting stuck as you pull out because the plug pulls out slightly. Not the end of the world. You can usually just hold the plug with a finger as you pull the key out. However, I wanted to make these sets function as smoothly as possible for newbies.

Knowing that the screw caps alone can’t be bought, I’ll probably use what I have and just educate people on the plug movement issue. Thanks for your response.

You could always take a hacksaw, make a cut on each side of the plug nearest the cylinder & snap a 'c' clip onto it

[vrocco]

You could always take a hacksaw, make a cut on each side of the plug nearest the cylinder & snap a 'c' clip onto it

That’s a good idea. I hadn’t thought of that. Thanks!

[GWiens2001]

Agreed it’s only there to keep the plug in but I have also noticed that when it isn’t screwed in all the way it allows the plug to move in and out slightly when you insert or remove a key. This often results in the key getting stuck as you pull out because the plug pulls out slightly. Not the end of the world. You can usually just hold the plug with a finger as you pull the key out. However, I wanted to make these sets function as smoothly as possible for newbies.

Knowing that the screw caps alone can’t be bought, I’ll probably use what I have and just educate people on the plug movement issue. Thanks for your response.

You could always take a hacksaw, make a cut on each side of the plug nearest the cylinder & snap a 'c' clip onto it

Good locksmith answer.

Gordon

[high_order1]

I realize this is a month late. Sorry

I personally would have sacrificed one and drilled the tail to put a roll pin through there and see if that would work.

Then, I thought about it for a second. I was genuinely surprised that there wasn't anything on Thingiverse to address this.

If you knew a kid with a 3d printer, I'd get him to knock out a handful.

I'd be too lazy to run a hacksaw on a bunch of training aids. Maybe a dremel and a jig, though...

[Kenneth_V]

I know this is an old post but I needed few a while ago.

When I was t Lowes, I asked the guy in the locks section if they had any schlage repair parts in their kit. Sure enough they had some in their kit and he gave me a few with pins and springs.

I wrote down the part numbers in case I ever needed them

caps - C503-118
cap pin - C503-116
cap springs - C503-115

Worth checking Lowes or Home Depot if you need some!!

You can google the part numbers also!

[Squelchtone]

I know this is an old post but I needed few a while ago.

When I was t Lowes, I asked the guy in the locks section if they had any schlage repair parts in their kit. Sure enough they had some in their kit and he gave me a few with pins and springs.

I wrote down the part numbers in case I ever needed them

caps - C503-118
cap pin - C503-116
cap springs - C503-115

Worth checking Lowes or Home Depot if you need some!!

You can google the part numbers also!

Thank you, this is very helpful.

It's ok to reply to an old post if it answers a long unanswered question or provides useful information to anyone who may stumble across the thread.

Welcome to the forum!
Squelchtone

[cledry]

Home Depot or Lowes won't have those parts, unless you get lucky like you did. I find people at Lowes to be more helpful than those at Home Depot, your mileage may differ. A locksmith could order them for you though.

[Kenneth_V]

Lowe’s and Home Depot do not have them for sale but they do have a parts and pinning kit for when the rekey locks to customer’s keys. They have lots of different parts in there and those were in there.

They have also given me lots of factory cut Schlage Keys over the years. When they rekey locks they toss the factory keys into a box. They have hundreds of factory keys and were more than happy to give me a some every time I’ve asked.

Next time I am there I’ll snap a pic of their kit.

Ask at the counter to see their kit and you might get lucky if you need one in a pinch.

You can also google the parts numbers and order online if you need a bunch

[Kenneth_V]

I was at Lowes today so i grabbed a couple more factory cut keys and snapped a pic of their re-keying/pinning kit.



All the Schlage part numbers are on the lid if you need them for reference.

If you are in a pinch, they will give you a part or two if you ask.

[billdeserthills]

Last time I spoke with the key guy at Lowes they wanted me to do a class for the employees who do the rekeying/key cutting

[Kenneth_V]

Last time I spoke with the key guy at Lowes they wanted me to do a class for the employees who do the rekeying/key cutting

Might be worth it for a nice Lowes gift card!!