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Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

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Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 20 Aug 2019 19:32

Hey guys - more than likely I'm a one-and-done here on the forum. I don't have a lot of need for picking locks, but I do have a need right now. I restore old radios and a few months ago I picked up this coin-operated radio at an auction and don't have keys for it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V2gW95 ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AoHzi_ ... sp=sharing

The outside lock seems quite simple, but I don't know how to get into it. Basically it just looks like this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1138JK2 ... sp=sharing

It's just a rectangular opening with 3 pins...2 on the left and one on the right. They are spring loaded and the two toward top are free to move downward and the one toward the bottom is free to move upwards. Any idea what I need to do to get into this thing? I'm pretty sure there will be another lock on the inside, on the coin box, that will probably be a little more secure that this one, so once i get inside I'll probably have more questions.

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby Squelchtone » 20 Aug 2019 21:21

A. that's an awesome vintage radio! and thank you for restoring stuff and keeping history alive!


B. it sounds like a Bell "squiggle" Lock

look at this old thread, even has a video of one being picked

https://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62918#p465880

if your lock is what I think it is, they key would look like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Vendin ... 2750389525

Not a beginner pick job...
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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 21 Aug 2019 7:50

Thanks Squelchtone! That does look like what I have and helps a lot. Since I only have 3 pins I am hopeful that I'll be able to get it open. If all else fails I'll drill it out. I'm not going to re-key it anyway, but will be installing new locks, but would really like to preserve the original lock if I can.

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 21 Aug 2019 9:29

Got it!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D1-4PO ... sp=sharing

This must be a special one-off model...it comes complete with a mouse nest and carcass!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iozvmT ... sp=sharing

Thanks for the help on this! Once I have the special prize cleaned up I'll take a look at the coin box lock.

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 23 Aug 2019 6:24

The lock on the coin box is similar, but much more difficult to pick since it has 6 pins instead of 3. To make it more difficult 2 or 3 of the pins don't move too freely. Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated. One problem is the lack of proper tools, so a recommendation for a lock picking tool set would also be appreciated ;)

I'm also looking for recommendations for replacement locks. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby Squelchtone » 23 Aug 2019 8:53

criageek wrote:The lock on the coin box is similar, but much more difficult to pick since it has 6 pins instead of 3. To make it more difficult 2 or 3 of the pins don't move too freely. Any hints or suggestions would be appreciated. One problem is the lack of proper tools, so a recommendation for a lock picking tool set would also be appreciated ;)

I'm also looking for recommendations for replacement locks. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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WD40 is your friend or PB Blaster to get those other pins and springs working. or lube/rust away of your choice.

That's not a normal lock so normal tools pretty much go out the window, but you can't go wrong with a "short hook pick" and a couple "tension wrenches" The tension wrenches you can make from the stainless steel found inside a windshield wiper rubber blade, just go to Auto Zone and pick up discarded wipers from the trash can out front, rip off the rubber to reveal 2 strips of stainless, cut to 5 inch length, get pliers, put a 1/2 inch bend on one end, and you have your self a wrench. sand or file any sharp edges and done. some stiff piano wire or thin strong nails would work well to pick that lock, anything stronger than a paperclip. Even a big safety pin with the pointy bit dulled down would be a good metal to stick in there to move pins around.

If you want to buy an individual short hook pick, I would recommend Southord from Lockpickshop.com or direct from the Southord.com web page

short hook pick $1.65
https://www.southord.com/collections/in ... pick-sp-09

tension wrench/turning tool $1.55 (get a couple)
https://www.southord.com/collections/te ... ool-tw-61s
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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 23 Aug 2019 14:48

And now the coin box is open!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aWzNym ... sp=sharing

Thanks for all the help Squelchtone!

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby Squelchtone » 23 Aug 2019 15:43

criageek wrote:And now the coin box is open!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aWzNym ... sp=sharing

Thanks for all the help Squelchtone!

Rich


look at you hot sh*t, how'd you do it? what kind of tools?

nicely done!
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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 23 Aug 2019 18:03

LOL! Thanks Squelchtone ;) I'm pretty sure I just got lucky. If I had to do it again I'm sure it would take another 20 - 30 minutes or more. The two big problems I had were 1) the pins that didn't want to move too well. As you suggested, WD-40 helps a lot. And 2) I was using allen wrenches to provide the tension. Since I needed to change the tension end-to-end I needed two tools. But the opening was slightly larger at one end and I didn't have anything that fit snugly at that end. But today I got a haircut and asked the barber if I could have a couple of hairpins and she gave me a bunch of them, so I bent them up and was able to apply tension to both ends. I also didn't know the correct direction to apply tension so that complicated things. I used a small 'jewelers' screwdriver to move the pins and that worked ok. In certain places I thought it would be helpful to have something with a little bend in it, but it all worked out! I really appreciate your help and have already recommended your site to several people.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YKuTlB ... sp=sharing

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby GWiens2001 » 25 Aug 2019 15:23

Well done, Rich!

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 26 Aug 2019 11:51

Thanks Gordon!

New locks installed! I got them at Lowe's for $5.48 each. I had to do a little fabricating on the tailstock for the cabinet lock because it needed to be shortened and had to have a notch in it. The tailstock for the coin box just needed a slight bit of shortening and a very slight bend. But both work perfectly!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XVec1B ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nELTsQ ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uj22ZS ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QEPZ0L ... sp=sharing

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby Squelchtone » 26 Aug 2019 14:13

Nicely done! Must feel good to have a fully operational radio including the locks. I'm sure that adds to the value even if the locks aren't original.

Thank you for sharing the photos
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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 26 Aug 2019 18:29

Thanks again Squelchtone! I'm far away from having a fully functional radio, but that is the plan. I haven't started the electrical restoration, and the cabinet will need more cleanup and fresh paint. But it'll get there!

I was poking around the forum a bit and saw that you recently lost a sponsor. How can I make a donation?

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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby Squelchtone » 26 Aug 2019 19:38

That's really thoughtful of you, I sent you a private message with the Paypal address. We used to be able to reward different donation levels with things like official lp101 tshirts, perhaps it is time to bring back that Supporter system.

I have a question about your radio restoration. Are new or new old stock tubes still available and how do you test them to see if good? swap them out or plug into a tester socket? what typically goes bad on these radios? diodes? audio tubes? power supplies?

Is there a straight forward tuning procedure and are these just AM or short wave or are any of them FM?

Thanks for diving deeper to explain the process,
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Re: Newbie Needs Help With a Coin-Operated Radio

Postby criageek » 26 Aug 2019 20:46

Just posted to PayPal...glad to do it! Without your help I'm sure I'd have ended up drilling it out. Unless I did some damage to the cabinet in the process, the result would have been the same...replacement locks. But there's just something cool about retaining the original locks.

Now, for your radio restoration questions...I love talking radios :) I started restoring about 2 1/2 years ago and was immediately surprised at how available, and affordable, vacuum tubes are. I have to believe that at some point the supply will start dwindling, but for now most tubes are very reasonable, most in the $4 - $10 range. Tubes do go bad but they are surprisingly durable. I have several tube testers that I use for testing tubes, but at times will also just swap in a different tube if I don't believe the tester results.

As for what usually goes bad, that's an easy one. Capacitors. Back in the day they used what they called paper capacitors...paper was used for the dielectric and they were encased in cardboard sleeves and sealed with wax. But over time moisture will get in and they become leaky (electrically). Electrolytic capacitors used in the power supply are also a common source of failure. So when I restore a radio, I always replace all paper and electrolytic capacitors. I even go so far as to 'restuff' them whenever possible. What this means is I take out the guts, clean them up, and put in new capacitors. For the paper caps I then re-seal them using bees wax. If the electrolytics are in metal cans I will cut the cans open, clean them out, put in new capacitors, then reseal the can. This process retains the original look. Check out this thread I created on the antique radio forum...in my first post I show before and after shots of the chassis. All paper caps were restuffed except one...it had been replaced previously with a different type and couldn't be restuffed. Since then I've learned how to make them from scratch using my 3D printer and some colored paper :D https://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewto ... 6&t=355114

Of course resistors need to be replaced quite often as well, and they don't look original, but I still think it's cool to make the capacitors look like original. Resistors are quite often high in value, but usually the radio will still play ok unless they are way off. That being said, I will usually replace anything that's more than 10% out of tolerance.

Documentation is available for most radios and many times the documentation will include alignment procedures. After you've done a few you learn the general process for doing an alignment and can usually do one without the documentation, but some are different so it's best to use the documentation if available. Alignment can be done by ear, but it's best to use a signal generator and some sort of analog meter to find the peaks. Most of these old radios are just AM, but quite a few also have one or more shortwave bands, and a few have FM.

Just for some background, I started restoring radios because I had a Philco 47-1230 that my grandparents on my Mom's side bought new in 1947. I fixed it when I was in my teens, in 1971 or 1972. After that it just sat around and quit working again. In February 2017 I decided I wanted to make it work again. I replaced the caps (this was before I knew I could restuff them) and many resistors and the AM sort of worked but not well. I decided that this radio was way too complex for a first restoration project so I set it aside and did several others and didn't get back to the Philco until last fall. I quickly got the AM to work, but struggled with the FM for a few months before finally getting that working. My Mom knew I was working on it but didn't know I was going to give it to her. I surprised her with it on April 5th of this year. This was perfect timing because it was her dad's birthday :) She says she plays it almost daily and loves it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KK36bz ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xEIzcY ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tmj0IH ... sp=sharing

Now, aren't you sorry you asked? :P

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