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Just bought this old safe maybe a J. Baum?

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Just bought this old safe maybe a J. Baum?

Postby brad204 » 17 Feb 2020 0:21

Hello all, new member here. Just picked up this old beauty and want to try and crack it. After searching the internet I think it maybe a J. Baum safe.
I've played around a little with group 2 locks but this is not that I assume. It has a new paint job and all labels or marking are gone other than on the handle it says "L" and on the next line is has a symbol followed by "1053". Can someone confirm the make this is and what the dialling procedure is? Any tips on manipulating it? I weighed it to be about 310 lbs. It measures 26 inches high, X 16 1/2" wide X 17 3/4" deep outside dimensions. This includes the wheels but does not include the hinges or dial or handle. I think I attached the 3 photos correctly. Thank you very much!!

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Re: Just bought this old safe maybe a J. Baum?

Postby MartinHewitt » 17 Feb 2020 4:37

Hello Brad, discussion about manipulation is not allowed in this part of the public part of this forum. If I would answer you this thread would vanish for you. Regarding your other questions... It looks to me like a Baum too. In this case the lock is most likely with a counterweight fence. This has three wheels plus a driver. The driver is meant to be turned right (clockwise) for the final opening movement, probably stopping around 100 (+/- 10 or so). The three numbers must then be dialled LRL. So this lock opens like most modern locks. You can read a manual of a Sargent & Greenleaf 6700 series lock or watch this youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYjgOFKR1U about how to do it.
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Re: Just bought this old safe maybe a J. Baum?

Postby brad204 » 17 Feb 2020 21:54

Thanks for the info Martin. Ya been doing some more research since I posted and I am sure you are correct. Originally I thought the 1053 was a model number, but I think that is the serial number now. Thanks again.
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Re: Just bought this old safe maybe a J. Baum?

Postby Squelchtone » 17 Feb 2020 23:28

brad204 wrote:Thanks for the info Martin. Ya been doing some more research since I posted and I am sure you are correct. Originally I thought the 1053 was a model number, but I think that is the serial number now. Thanks again.


I wouldn't bother wasting too much time looking for a model number on something that old, we've all been down that rabbit hole before and even if you find that number, it's not like you can call the company back in 1890 and ask them what the combination is. And no locksmith today would go, ahh yes, the Baum model 10, of course, here is how you open it. Honestly, some of these things predate the idea of model numbers, it just wasn't a thing like it is today. And the ones that had model numbers, that info has been lost to time. Once in a while you can get lucky and find an old sales catalog, like this one from 1922: https://www.amazon.com/1922-Baum-Safes- ... B07GQQS1X5 which is available as a .pdf file here: https://digital.hagley.org/08052424_baum but like I said, having the model number won't really give you anyhing useful to go by.

The other thing to note is that safe locks and safe bodies were often made by 2 different companies, which is why a Baum safe may have a Yale safe dial, etc. It's like buying a Toyota, but the car stereo is made by Kenwood because frankly Toyota's job is to make cars not good stereos. So safe body makers would buy safe locks from companies who were in business to make safe locks. Some big enough companies would have their own locks such as Mosler, while some would put their safe body brand on the dial of the safe lock which was made by someone else. Unlike safe bodies, safe locks usually did have pretty well known model numbers, go figure.

Hope this is somehow useful in your research,
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Re: Just bought this old safe maybe a J. Baum?

Postby brad204 » 18 Feb 2020 15:28

Thanks for the PDF, that’s awesome. Great info.
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