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painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

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painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby Squelchtone » 2 Apr 2020 7:15

Look at this hack job crew opening an antique safe.



Can any one ID the safe or lock?

pains me to watch this...

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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 2 Apr 2020 8:33

Nitpicking! At least they did drill. The safe experts opening two safes in a town hall in Germany did use angle grinders.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby Squelchtone » 2 Apr 2020 9:26

MartinHewitt wrote:Nitpicking! At least they did drill. The safe experts opening two safes in a town hall in Germany did use angle grinders.


Nitpicking101.com LOL :lol:
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 2 Apr 2020 10:21

These are top professionals: https://youtu.be/j7wX-1CONGU?t=75
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby Safecrackin Sammy » 2 Apr 2020 10:48

That poor safe!

Why they brought a scope I dunno.... They could have stuck their head thru that massive hole to see inside. Then they had to drill TWO holes... Door probably whistled when they swung it open from all of the holes...

FOUR HOURS?? They look like union guys working by the hour.. (No offense to our union friends)

I've seen the Macneale and Urban safe that had a lettered dial. Was popular in the northeast. But never one that had both letters and numbers without doing some more research.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby L4R3L2 » 3 Apr 2020 23:34

OMGoodness! Do you think they showed enough to find the neighborhood, the house, AND the safe?!

For all the damage he did drilling that first hole, he might just as well have gone ahead and punched the bolt. What was that? A 1/2" hole for a 1/4" scope? I'm not a safe driller, but from what I've seen neither of those points were good choices to begin with. But, what do I know?

I'd love to get my hands on a MacNeale & Urban safe lock with the split driver. Looks interesting. I wonder how it affects manipulation.

I also wonder about that dial. Z would end up being 100, but A would have to be 0. Do the letters end at Y on that one, or is Z 100 and A 0? Would love to see the whole dial.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 4 Apr 2020 5:45

There are direct entry safes, where the first drill point would have made sense (if it were not that big). The second hole looks like it was for a lock with a lever like the modern ones. (Maybe not the best place, but doable.) Of course these two types can be easily discriminated.

From the depiction of the wheel I would say it had 26 letters all around. The door edges, handle, dial, bolt positions and the 26-letter lock would match a MacNeale & Urban safe.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby L4R3L2 » 4 Apr 2020 11:41

MartinHewitt wrote:
From the depiction of the wheel I would say it had 26 letters all around. The door edges, handle, dial, bolt positions and the 26-letter lock would match a MacNeale & Urban safe.


Yes, he should have known exactly where to drill. Not always being certain what lock is behind the door is one of the biggest reasons I would avoid performing destructive entry, but there's no mistaking that manufacturer.

Why do you think all 26 letters are on this dial? That would mean there would be both a "0" and a "100", which would be strange.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby GWiens2001 » 4 Apr 2020 20:54

Well the OP says that locksmiths help open the safe. Not safe techs.

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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 5 Apr 2020 1:56

L4R3L2 wrote:Why do you think all 26 letters are on this dial? That would mean there would be both a "0" and a "100", which would be strange.

When I count the letters on an estimated quarter of the dial I get 6 letters. 4*6=24. That is very near to 26.

PS: And I and J are present, which are often candidates for omission to get down to 25. And MacNeale & Urban use 26 letters.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 5 Apr 2020 2:28

Some more pain for you, Squelchtone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSM0gpbkYdc
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby L4R3L2 » 5 Apr 2020 2:35

The letters and numbers are aligned, 4 per letter, not offset in vernier fashion. So, there can only be 25 letters for 0 to 99 (or 1 to 100). One letter has to be missing, or there have to be extra numbers. They should have shown less of the outside of the house and the people, and more of the safe and dial!

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That last video, MartinHewitt!
Do you think he was wearing a mask when he did all that drilling? Sheesh! At least it was his own safe, and not a customer's.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 5 Apr 2020 2:50

They could have numbered if from 0 to 100, which is 26.

I can't find any MacNeale & Urban dial with letters and numbers.
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby L4R3L2 » 5 Apr 2020 2:59

MartinHewitt wrote:They could have numbered if from 0 to 100, which is 26.



That's what I'm wondering.
(btw, I commented on your video above)
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Re: painful to watch this antique safe being drilled

Postby MartinHewitt » 5 Apr 2020 3:47

I think the usage of asbestos in safes started quite a while later. So the dust from drilling could not have been that bad.

Anyway, I think the most important sentence in this video is:
"I don't know why that fence doesn't want to fall, but that might be what my problem was, because I did have the combination for this, but it's not working, evidently."

So just some knocking on the door would have opened this safe.
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