Help ID This Sargent & Greenleaf Group 2 Combo lock

[Lockfreak]

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I was confident on how to open and reset the wheels to the open notches and figure out the combination of this open safe. The problem is after researching Sargent and Greenleaf group 2 combo locks, I haven't found anything that looks like these wheels. All the wheels have combination numbers in cross hatching just like the dial, and look nothing like all of the information for S&B group two locks that I found on the internet. I need some help, and I hope I haven't screwed the pooch in disassembling this S&B lock.

I've done a little bit of lockpicking with pick sets but I've never worked on a safe, I did do some homework and watch several videos and have become familiar with how most group to locks work. This set of wheels is different instead of lining up two notches and taking note of how many turns, the direction of turns, in the number that it falls on at the dial, this one is completely different. I researched and found that it's for turns right left right left. It's basically four turns you go past the first number 3 times stop on the 4th, past the second number two times stop on the 3rd, pass the 3rd number and stop on the second, then go to zero you hear a click and then rotate the wheel 290 and it rotates the wheels together and you can move the bar lever.

I just can't figure out the model number so I can research how to figure out how to figure out the combination, or what it looks like set up a new combination based on the numbers on the wheels.

[billdeserthills]

Last time I had a lock similar to this and couldn't figure out the combo I finally wound up just drilling a sight hole through the lock case--(mine was an import safe with a plastic case) Then I just looked in while dialing until the wheels lined up & gave the client those numbers & got out of there. I just covered the hole I made with a company sticker when I was done


perhaps this will be of some help
https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... CAs&uact=5

[Squelchtone]

Looks like a 6709 hand change model, it is obsolete and you will not find much information. To figure out the combination, just look at the tick mark on the inner hub of each wheel and see what number it is meshed with on each wheel. The wheels may be numbered in how they are stacked on each other, don't screw up that order.

http://www.wheelpost.com/Documents_PDF/sg_6709_6710.pdf

these videos shows a similar design and how to change the combination:





Squelchtone

[Lockfreak]

Wow, that was super easy. I keep looking for S & G group 2 and saw nothing. I took it apart and looked at the marks and wrote them down. Obsolete or not, this is a neat way of setting up the combination. I guess they must of been easy to pick that's why they changed to a newer style.

Thanks so much. If I had know what then type was called, I would not of had to bother you fine folks. Thanks again for your help, this is exactly what I needed.

[Safecrackin Sammy]

Looks like an S&G 6709 on an old Meilink fire resistant safe. A blast from the past!

The secret is: Write down what your dialing as a combination, then check the wheel number settings. Even on newer Moslers like Squelchtone has in the pic. A lot of locks have a "correction" factor of plus/minus from what the wheel reads to what works on the dial.