Friction fence or flipper fence?

[Squelchtone]

Hello everyone, I’m hoping I can find some information regarding an old safe that I have and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direct on where to go.

First off, what would be the correct term for the type of lock that I have, friction fence or flipper fence, or would it be titled something else?

Secondly, does anyone recommend where I could go to find these parts, or maybe someone on here might have what I’m looking for and willing to sell? I’ll include pictures of what I have, or after what’s left of it.

This was my great grand fathers safe so it has some sentimental value to me. Unfortunately my parents house was vacant and got broken into, someone broke into the safe but fortunately I didn’t have anything in it, I just have to fix what someone destroyed now. Any help would be greatly appreciated and I thank everyone in

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[L4R3L2]

The lock is a Yale 026. Gear driven rotary fence, gear driven roller fence, friction loaded fence, all names for the same mechanism. Most of us today call it a friction fence. The lock bolt is a roller bolt.

[1968triumph]

L4R3L2, thank you! I believe that I should be able to reuse the roller bolt, just have to find a Yale 026.
I’ve been searching on eBay but haven’t had much luck so far, I’ve been looking for about 2 months now, any recommendations on where to try searching?
Thank you!

[Squelchtone]

L4R3L2, thank you! I believe that I should be able to reuse the roller bolt, just have to find a Yale 026.
I’ve been searching on eBay but haven’t had much luck so far, I’ve been looking for about 2 months now, any recommendations on where to try searching?
Thank you!

you're funny. that's gonna be a very difficult task, this is a 120+ year old lock, not gonna find one or the parts for one at your local locksmith's parts bin. You could try to have a locksmith/safe technician braise/weld the broken bits back to life. just keep looking on ebay, make your search vague maybe just Yale safe or Yale lock or Yale roller and see if one shows up. This seller sold a Yale roller bolt in the past, perhaps they have another kicking around or parts for yours: https://www.ebay.com/usr/safenvault click contact in top right corner and message them.

A thing to consider would be putting a different lock on that safe, something period correct, but a new dial, body, and wheel pack that fits the footprint and interacts with your bolt work in the same manner.

I have some old safe locks but no roller bolts.

Squelchtone

[MartinHewitt]

I think a talented craftsman can make this lock looking like new. Replacing lock parts will also make some adjustments necessary, because all parts were hand fitted together into one lock each part stamped with the serial, so that stuff are not mixed up.

If you want to go with a different lock and can't find a 026 you can try also other roller bolt locks from other manufacturers. My Sargent & Greenleaf no.5 has the same screw positions, but it is a bit thicker and the roller bolt is a bit further from the door.

[L4R3L2]

Just to clarify, the 026 is a self contained lock, as you can see. The roller bolt I was referring to is in the lock itself, not the bolt works of the safe door which are connected to the handle. Your 026 lock has both a roller fence (which contacts the wheels' edges, and interacts with the wheels' gates when unlocking), and a roller bolt which is rotated by the roller fence when unlocking. The roller bolt in the lock case rolls aside, allowing the tab on the safe's bolt carrier to move into the lock case when the handle is turned, retracting the safe's bolts.

[nothumbs]

https://www.lockreference.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Yale-Towne-Manufacturing-Co.-Combination-Locks-and-Key-Locks-for-Fireproof-Vaults-Safes-Steel-Chests-etc.-1939.pdf and reference page 15.

Just an artifact.

[00247]

Just an artifact.

I disagree, more like an informational gold mine. Thanks for posting it.

[L4R3L2]

That is excellent! Thank you for sharing!

[1968triumph]

Yes it will be a difficult task, but I’m patient and I would like to put the safe back to its original state. I’ll just keep my eyes peeled on eBay and other sites. Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge and information.
Nothumbs thank you for posting that article as well! That is great information and greatly appreciated!

[MartinHewitt]

In ebay is at the moment a lock, which I think is a 026. The seller wants just 250 quid for it.

[1968triumph]

Can you send me the link? I’ve been looking but haven’t seen one yet.

[GWiens2001]

eBay search for Yale Safe Lock. Took all of 1 minute.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SAFE-LOCK-DIAL-AND-SPINDLE-MFG-READS-YALE-On-The-Face-Of-The-Dial/143572616093?hash=item216d98439d:g:PsgAAOSwWu5eiReQ

Gordon

[jeffmoss26]

Gordonne!

[billdeserthills]

eBay search for Yale Safe Lock. Took all of 1 minute.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SAFE-LOCK-DIAL-AND-SPINDLE-MFG-READS-YALE-On-The-Face-Of-The-Dial/143572616093?hash=item216d98439d:g:PsgAAOSwWu5eiReQ

Gordon

Sorry Gordon but that's just the dial/spindle