Help identifying this Abus lock core model and a key profile

[Squelchtone]

A noob here.
I have this Abus lock core (two half cylinders in a Scandinavian-style oval) that's missing a key. I also have an old quite faded receipt for it with the following information on it: CORE ASSA 1302 CR, A51302 (or A51382? or A51342?). Trying to identify which key profile to use either for a bump or if the code makes any sense, perhaps even an actual key.

Any idea which lock core model it might be, and which key profile to use?

[GWiens2001]

Wow, somebody has been trying hard to bump that open!

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

That looks like a Phaffehein keyway. They merged with Abus some time ago.

[GWiens2001]

That looks like a Phaffehein keyway. They merged with Abus some time ago.

Nope. Pfaffenhain looks like this one of mine:



Gordon

[LPC]

This Russian page has a great list of some JMA keys that fit Abus locks:

https://keyland.satom.ru/products/abus-f26876990/

From this list, I'd guess that perhaps

ABU-41 https://keyland.satom.ru/p/313941656-abu-41-ab1rx-au5sl/
or ABU-17 https://keyland.satom.ru/p/313941565-abu-17-cs46r-csa15l-au5sq-c5sq-x-x/ might fit.

But how different are they? And where to find an actual old key out of which to make a bump?

[LPC]

OK. I now have a lock number, meaning the number engraved onto the lock core: 63723. Yay! But still no clue about the key.

[Squelchtone]

OK. I now have a lock number, meaning the number engraved onto the lock core: 63723. Yay! But still no clue about the key.

is this on a locked door that you are trying to open?

Please call a locksmith to open the lock for you. We would like to help you but we do not wish to accidentally help someone who is trying to break into a lock that is not their lock or door.

Squelchtone

[LPC]

is this on a locked door that you are trying to open?

Please call a locksmith to open the lock for you. We would like to help you but we do not wish to accidentally help someone who is trying to break into a lock that is not their lock or door.

Squelchtone

Understandable. However, how could I possibly have a receipt and info on the lock core number if it was not my lock?

It's also cool and fun trying to learn how all these things interrelate.

[LPC]

Alright, so I'm making progress. Slowly, but surely. The key profile is Abus SFA. Got a blank and tried it - fits perfectly. Now all I've got to do is to figure out the bitting.

[LPC]

Last edited by Squelchtone on 31 May 2020 14:08, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: changed photo from google drive to imgur. Please don't upload photos where people have to login or show their gmail account to see the picture.

Thank you. Didn't realize Google was asking to log in. Sorry. Will know better next time.

[LPC]

That looks like a Phaffehein keyway. They merged with Abus some time ago.

Nope. Pfaffenhain looks like this one of mine:



Gordon

Just a bit of an update of what I have learned and done in the meanwhile. Yes, it is a Pfaffenhain, more specifically a Pfaffenhain SFA. The above lock is also a Pfaffenhain, but with a different keyway, possibly a V14 (https://wiki.koksa.org/Abus_Pfaffenhain_V14). There's a neat non-exhaustive list of the different Pfaffenhains here: https://wiki.koksa.org/Kategorie:Profilzylinder

I have identified that a Silca PHF 19 key blank works, and have also made a bump key. Works like a charm!

Still, I'd now like to progress and make an actual key. Bumping (while others have obviously also done it before me as was pointed out above) damages locks. If you are wondering what the heck is going on, then you may call it a game if you will. The door needs to be opened every now and then. By people who may or may not have a key. And obviously some of these people are quite motivated.

I have also checked out the most common code libraries available online (CodeSource, Lockcodes.com, Instacode, Genericode), and either they don't have anything for Pfaffenhain/Abus or what they have for that code is not correct.

Still trying to understand the entire naming system... Like, there is A21, A22, A23, A24, A25, C21, C22, C23, C26. And then separately there is C27/T40, under which SFA is listed. (Source: https://issuu.com/duitman/docs/alternatieve_sleutellijst )

[GWiens2001]

Thank you for the update!

Was not aware of the other Pfaffenhain keyway you have. Thought they all had the non-straight keyway. There is always more to learn here.

Gordon