Fire evac and home safe prep

[MartinHewitt]

From the looks I don't think it contains drywall.

The logo doesn't look trustworthy at all. https://hollonsafe.com/wp-content/uploa ... 768226.jpg

These safes have been put through a rigorous KIS and JIS 2 Hour Fire Test at 1700 degrees external and 350 degree internal temperatures as well as a 30 foot impact test.

The description sounds much better. A description of the Japanese test is here http://www.bremic.com.au/bremicsafes/ratings.pdf . Here is a description of the Korean test https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/pages/fire-ratings . But why didn't they get a certificate when the production qualifies? Without a certificate it is only a quesion how much you trust Hollon.

Btw. I don't think this safe is covered by the special gun safe warranty.

PS: We are talking about this type of safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0VRBeNdpk

[nothumbs]

Yes, it is not a gun safe. The Japanese and Korean ratings are fairly rigorous. I imagine the cost of UL certification is high.

Here's some info on the Japanese testing and how it varies from the US testing.

J.I.S. in Japan https://schwabfiles.com/customer-service/fireproof-buying-guide/ul-standards-and-certifications
J.I.S. differs from UL in that they do not have one hour or four hour labels. J.I.S. also drop tests their products from a height of only 13 feet. Finally, J.I.S. artificially cools the products after testing by hosing them down.

Products are tested against explosion by heating the product in the furnace to 1700°F. It takes approximately ten minutes for the furnace to reach this temperature. In UL tests, the furnace is already at 2000°F before the unit is placed inside. J.I.S. then heats the product for twenty minutes, as opposed to thirty minutes in UL testing. After testing, the product is hosed down.

[MartinHewitt]

Yes, certifications are expensive, but they proof an independent test. The alternative is only trust, because a consumer can't determine how good it is in a fire (or against a burglary). An "independent party A tested it" should be a good sales argument, when the others have only a "trust us". A UL test might be expensive, but if JIS or KIS is cheaper I am sure that would do also to boost sales. But amongst the "trust us" safe manufacturers Hollon is the company I would trust most.

[stratmando]

If I lived out there, Would Consider Barrel Tile Roof, Underground Storage area, Safe could be near Entrance to going down into Storage, and Lower down, roll down if you have to, Cover with a metal Cover, a seal for Rain water or Fire Department Water, whichever.
Sprinklers across the roof Pumped from your Swimming Pool? Have thought of using Dive Tanks in a Swimming Pool to Avoid Fire.

[nothumbs]

Interesting. I live in a suburb that happens to back up to a wooded area. I've several oak trees shading the house, and a pair of sycamores just before the street. The house is built on slab, the soil is primarily clay. We a full sprinkler system installed in the house, but that doesn't protect the outside. Unsure if after this I'll be able to get fire insurance; already the agent has told me if I was a new customer they would not underwrite me (does wonders for the sale value later). The notion of where folks live 'out here' has a high degree of variability.

[L4R3L2]

Sorry if my post strayed from your subject regarding your current situation. Hollon isn't exactly forthcoming regarding construction details, but I did find this for the "Oyster Line" with the same model number as yours..."High compression, concrete-like, foam filled walls". Not quite sure what to make of 'concrete foam', but it does sound like the walls are filled, at least on the model it was written for.

But, regarding your op, obviously try to take the contents with you if you have time. I would prefer a dial lock over electronic for fire, but then most locksmiths would just drill it in either case to gain entry after a fire event. The safe would be "toast" after going through a fire, so the main thing is to get it opened as quickly as possible to minimize water damage to the contents. You can seal things in plastic, but plastic can melt and stick into a big mess. Something more heat resistant would be better, but I'm not sure what that would be. Metal ammo cans come to mind.

[cledry]

Hollon doesn't manufacture these safes, they are just a label that is put on them. The same safes may be offered by other companies sometimes with just cosmetic differences. AMSEC and Hayman spring to mind, although Amsec does still offer a quality Made In America line, even my most "patriotic" MAGA hat wearing customers go for the Chinese or Korean made stuff when they see the price of Made In America.

[nothumbs]

The Hollon web site says this. Wonder which parts were made in the USA?

[demux]

The Hollon web site says this. Wonder which parts were made in the USA?

Only the little sticker on the safe that says "Assembled in the USA..."

[MartinHewitt]

S&G locks are made in the US, probably some LG locks too.

[cledry]

The Hollon web site says this. Wonder which parts were made in the USA?

Only the little sticker on the safe that says "Assembled in the USA..."

That is the bane of many industries. The bicycle industry being a prime one. Just slapping a sticker on something can be all it takes to fit the bill or popping the wheels on.

Here's the explanation.

https://cerasis.com/defining-terms-of-auto-manufacturing/

[stratmando]

Just reading another post where drain/Sewer access was actually a floor safe.
Made me think a Large plumbing screw in plug, with a rubber O Ring. To cover Safe. I Think Underground could be a good place to protect from Fire