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S&G safe/vault dial stuck

Forgot how to dial the combination on that old safe? Think you got the right numbers but the handle is stuck? What safe should you buy? Ask your safe questions here!
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Re: S&G safe/vault dial stuck

Postby Dave844 » 28 Sep 2020 19:51

stratmando wrote:If the Nuts are out of sync, can the Rear wheel be left where it is, put change key, pull out so it turns all but the rear, pull out a little more and repeat, for remaining nuts, to get all in sync


I don't know if you read the post, but the problem with the nuts out of sync has been resolved. The other problem was the whole thing not unlocking with a new combo.


Anyways its working now, thanks to all of you for your input and your help, much appreciated!
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Re: S&G safe/vault dial stuck

Postby L4R3L2 » 28 Sep 2020 21:21

Dave844 wrote:Lol yes I was pushing on the dial.

I found the issue after taking out the lever, the little pin/spring that is supposed to be in the area I circled on the picture was not in its place anymore. So I guess the lever wasn't moving enough and pulling enough on the bolt when the dial was pushed.


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What safe manufacturer is mounting a right hand 8550 in the left hand position? Or, is the photo not showing the actual orientation?
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Re: S&G safe/vault dial stuck

Postby Dave844 » 29 Sep 2020 7:19

L4R3L2 wrote:
Dave844 wrote:Lol yes I was pushing on the dial.

I found the issue after taking out the lever, the little pin/spring that is supposed to be in the area I circled on the picture was not in its place anymore. So I guess the lever wasn't moving enough and pulling enough on the bolt when the dial was pushed.


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What safe manufacturer is mounting a right hand 8550 in the left hand position? Or, is the photo not showing the actual orientation?


It is the actual orientation. What impact does this have? Is this a security flaw?

I'm deployed right now and the base where I am is really really isolated and we try to make things happen, so my best guess is that the lock was broken at some point and someone found a similar lock and installed it. Or it was installed like that at first, I couldn't tell.
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Re: S&G safe/vault dial stuck

Postby L4R3L2 » 30 Sep 2020 0:08

Dave844 wrote:It is the actual orientation. What impact does this have? Is this a security flaw?

I'm deployed right now and the base where I am is really really isolated and we try to make things happen, so my best guess is that the lock was broken at some point and someone found a similar lock and installed it. Or it was installed like that at first, I couldn't tell.


Mounting any lock upside down like that is not recommended. Sargent & Greenleaf used to manufacture left-handed locks, but then got cheap and stopped. So, what can you do?

A spring-loaded lever lock, such as this one, will work fine in any orientation, as long as the spring is functional. If a spring breaks on a lock mounted upside down, the lever cannot drop into the gates unless you turn the safe upside down. You're lucky no one locked the safe with the lock missing that spring. A locksmith would have had to drill it to open it. Kind of the opposite of a 'security flaw'. Hahaha.
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Re: S&G safe/vault dial stuck

Postby Raymond » 30 Sep 2020 19:25

Is that lock also missing the two front mounting bolts or is there a glare in the photo? Did you find a replacement Z-spring?
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