Lishi M1 Cheating

[stratmando]

Got my M1, the other M1, no luck at first, Tried with 5 Master Locks no keys, Picked all of them, then decoded with the Lishi, wrote biting on piece of tape on each lock so keys could be made. Then attempt picking again with the Lishi, looking at the biting. Couple thing you learn fast, Binding Order is Most Important. Appeared to feel multiple sheer lines, Don't believe they were spools? Also on one of them, felt like serrated? These were Master #3's, also a Large U-haul Lock, No Master wording, but looks identical to Master Lock. Any helpful info out there?
6 Pin Schlage and Kwickset to Arrive today. Decoding is what I wanted mostly for, Believe I had Seen Bosnian Bill use the 6 Pin tools on the 5 pin locks. Will determine if the 5 pin tool is necessary. Would be nice if they mad a small collar to slide down the 6 Pin tool to assist in Tensioning, as is the working part of the tool is overworked.

[GWiens2001]

It would be easy enough to make a collar (spacer) to fit on your six pin Lishi. Take a tube and cut it to fit.

I don’t feel that Lishi picks are cheating. They are not really intended for hobby pickers who pick for fun. They are workhorse tools intended for locksmiths who need to have a method to reliably pick and/or decode locks as quickly as possible so they can get paid and move on to the next job.

The Master padlock that felt like it had serrated pins - was it a model 3UP or 5UP? Those have frangible pins much like a serrated pin, but are intended to shear off when the lock is first set up to fit a specific key. They feel similar or the same as a serrated pin.

Ace Hardware sells some house brand padlocks that look similar to Master padlocks, but have some decent security pins. Am sure other brands to the same.

Gordon

[stratmando]

Thanks Gordon, they weren't Universal Pin, the Cheating part, was using the tool with biting known. Think is will speed up the learning Process. Once you do feel the sheerline(s), you have to watch you don't overset, easy to do.
Thanks

[stratmando]

Got the Kwickset Lishi yesterday. Tried to about half an hour, the distracted by Wyatt Earp movie with James Garner, I looked back at the Lock, the cylinder had turned.
A Bartender at the Lodge brought in an old Post Office Box custom fitted to a Wood Box, have one myself, little triangles around the dial, and uses letters, may only go to J?, But some could be A/B(between the A and B), Was drinking a Beer, paper an pen, going to write Where I felt the gates. At the moment, Wanted to enjoy the Beer, so I wrote nothing down, just spun back and forth a few times, it popped open, wasn't looking, took maybe 10 minutes, had to dissemble to get combo. She had an old picture of Her and her Horse when she was young. Will have to try not looking on mine next time I dig out.
Gordon, don't see a need to put a stop on it for 5 pins, works as is. Later

[stratmando]

Tried for a half-hour again after work, couldn't get it, looked up at TV for a Moment, it had spun? Think it is from the cylinder wiggling, not a reduction in pressure?
Haven't got a Successful Correct opening yet.

[GWiens2001]

Have only used a few of the automobile LISHI picks, so can't say what the residential picks are like. But have found that my biggest issue with the automotive LISHI picks is keeping the tension correct. I think the ignition lock cylinders would be most like the residential door locks since they don't have a return spring . With ignition lock cylinders, I do best with very minimal tension. And watch where the reading is. If it is between two depths, then it is not set correctly.

I am interested in your take and feedback on what you are finding with the residential picks.

Gordon

[cledry]

I have always been interested in Lishi picks but for locks like Master I fail to see their value. As a locksmith any labor put into making a key to a Master with the M1 key is likely not to be a job. The reason I say this is firstly the locks are so inexpensive that unless the customer has a minimum of 4 locks kaa then they won't spend the money to generate a key. They want it opened (they pick super easy), they can be cut off and replaced. If someone does want to spend the money on a key there are other simple tricks to generating a key quickly enough.

The Schlage one could be useful. Often you will get called out to rekey a big building with no key. I typically pick a lock and disassemble it make a key and see if it it opens the rest. The Lishi could save a few minutes potentially here.

[stratmando]

About half hour after my last post, did get a successful opening, For now, picking is faster, so the is Great for decoding, eleminating the med for dissembly, was worried Using the 6 Pin tool on 5 pin locks, thinking too much tension would tweak the tool, but the pressure of the pin setter is less, you worry more for the setter distorting. Although the tools were $78, has Mr Li's photo, didn't have the sticker?
For Master Locks, they are not a Money maker, they just put old locks back to use, I believe I have MANY more Master Locks with no keys, they are for, and have been for practice. Need to work on Impressioning.
Would still like to see someone make "Impressioning Keys", they would basically be keys with lines like on the Lishi, thinking that you would see where to cut, and then file down to next line(depth) as opposed to slowly working your way down. The pins leave necessary marks, was just a thought.

[cledry]

About half hour after my last post, did get a successful opening, For now, picking is faster, so the is Great for decoding, eleminating the med for dissembly, was worried Using the 6 Pin tool on 5 pin locks, thinking too much tension would tweak the tool, but the pressure of the pin setter is less, you worry more for the setter distorting. Although the tools were $78, has Mr Li's photo, didn't have the sticker?
For Master Locks, they are not a Money maker, they just put old locks back to use, I believe I have MANY more Master Locks with no keys, they are for, and have been for practice. Need to work on Impressioning.
Would still like to see someone make "Impressioning Keys", they would basically be keys with lines like on the Lishi, thinking that you would see where to cut, and then file down to next line(depth) as opposed to slowly working your way down. The pins leave necessary marks, was just a thought.

Some people use a code machine to impression. Basically you cut the shallowest depth, so you r spacing is on the money. Any marks you go a cut deeper and so on.

[stratmando]

Interesting. Never thought of, Sure should work.