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How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby asgardschosen » 9 Nov 2014 17:04

Great post. thanks. It's an interesting way of creating a master key for sure. Though I suppose it would make the lock even easier to pick, especially if one is using a jiggler or similar tool.
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby billdeserthills » 10 Nov 2014 0:26

YouLuckyFox wrote:
Paleo123 wrote:Bill your story about the "rock burglar" is hilarious...selling insurance for your stuff by day and then stealing said stuff by night :lol: :P After reading this I went to take a peek and the mail box bank for my mail has an Abloy, but either way(and I won't say impossible here)it is highly improbable that someone would ever be able to pick a Medeco lock on a mailbox bank in a period of time sufficiently short enough to go un-noticed. And because someone made plastic keys from pictures of keys doesn't change that. As for my personal mailbox its a 5-pin pin tumbler anybody who would like to steal my bills is welcome to them :lol: (gotta pay them though :P )


Reminds me of Charlie Chaplin's "The Kid." He repairs windows and has his kid go around throwing rocks through them.



That is funny, reminds me of the glass company that got a lot of extra work destroying windows in a local school bus storage area a few years back, they really made bank too.
Then when their business slowed down again, they went right back to the local school bus yard, for a second helping. Turns out the bus yard had installed cameras from the last
time... The glass company bought the glass from Both of their visits the second time!
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby globallockytoo » 10 Nov 2014 10:55

billdeserthills wrote:I kinda looked into Bilock as a line of high security lock to stock in my shop, but
one thing I don't like about them is their latches and deadbolts/knobs all looked
to me like grade 2 import locks. I understand their prices reflect their lower cost
but in almost 25 years, nobody in my neck of the woods has managed to pick one
of the Medeco or ASSA locks I have installed. If you saw the homes & businesses I
service you would see why right away. Here in Arizona there is lots of glass everywhere
on homes & businesses. Thieves seem to really be against working hard and along
with all that glass are lots & lots of rocks. Why spend valuable time learning to pick
a specialty lock when with one throw of a rock you will have set off the same alarm
& gain entry as if you had picked the front door anyhow?
One of the best known criminals
in my part of the country was known as "The Rock Burglar" he was so named because
he used to make his entry through the little window in the master bathroom that the
alarm companies never bothered to alarm due to it's very small size. They would figure
No way is anyone gonna crawl through that little window-Well this guy would. For over 20
years he terrorized my area, stealing over $26 Million in jewelry and the cops out here still have
no idea quite how he managed to pull that off. I think he had a connection with an insurance
company because he never went into any other rooms in the places he burgled, only the master
bedroom & like I said he used to get into there via the master bathroom.
Thanks for explaining the misplaced hostility Squelchtone and I hope ya find a sucker, err I
mean client to dump the Bilocks on soon globallockytoo :lol:


Bilock make cylinders. They have some OEM products but mostly cylinders that are designed to retrofit in place of other cylinders in EXISTING HARDWARE
You can use Arrow, Russwin, Schlage, Assa, even some Medeco hardware.
I dont poop on Medeco all the time.
It is just a product that is rarely found outside the USA. And for obvious reasons.
I really like Abloy and Evva too. I just think that far too may "locksmiths" have towed the Medeco line and believed that the product was the best because it is designed in USA.
Medeco is a good product, although Bilock is better. And in a $ for $ comparisson,, I think more competitively priced.
You can choose to use the type/brand of hardware you feel comfortable with. Bilock makes high quality products that are super easy to build, master key etc. The keys are vastly different to anything else on the market. there are far fewer dealers in Bilock, making protected territories larger. You are assured that no one can copy your keys. And they are bump proof and very highly pick resistant.

In my opinion, locksmiths should try to provide products and services that their geographic area desires, but also try to educate customers that there are alternatives that they may not have considered before, that are sometimes better quality, cheaper and easier to use than the same old tired everyday products they are familiar with now.
One One was a race horse, one one won one race, one two was a racehorse, one two won one too.

Disclaimer: Do not pull tag off mattress. Not responsible for legal advice while laughing.
Bilock - The Original True Bump Proof Pin Tumbler System!
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby globallockytoo » 10 Nov 2014 11:00

ever heard of Window film?

Prevent glass breakage. Secure windows and glass doors without double cylinder locks, complying with building code/life safety codes while minimizing attack options.

Time to start looking at alternative products, no?
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby billdeserthills » 10 Nov 2014 11:47

globallockytoo wrote:ever heard of Window film?

Prevent glass breakage. Secure windows and glass doors without double cylinder locks, complying with building code/life safety codes while minimizing attack options.

Time to start looking at alternative products, no?


Tell you the truth I'm a bit pissed off at Medeco for selling grade 2 crap after I invested thousands of $$$ in their grade 1 deadbolts.
I tried selling the window film, but it didn't work, as the jobs were always too small for the window film company, other than my own home
in which I was consistantly told I was measuring wrong, which I find to be a lie.

I also stock ASSA which is a good product

These new heavy duty unbreakable screens seem like a good product
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby Josh_Your_IT_Guy » 11 Nov 2014 14:11

That was a great write-up on these types of locks. I worked at a datacenter that used to be the headquarters of a huge tech industry, they had "the key room" that had walls of these removable cores. Now I understand how they function.
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby Foxhound1738 » 29 Dec 2016 14:57

Would this be a good place to start lock picking or I'm moving to fast?
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby GWiens2001 » 29 Dec 2016 15:43

Foxhound1738 wrote:Would this be a good place to start lock picking or I'm moving to fast?


It would be a very good place to start. :)

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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby Squelchtone » 29 Dec 2016 15:49

Foxhound1738 wrote:Would this be a good place to start lock picking or I'm moving to fast?


Um, this thread talks.about how wafer locks are master keyed, so this isnt a good thread to start learning how to pick. Other areas and threads on the forum would be better.

What is your goal? Hobby? To become a locksmith? Where are you from, this will determine the brands of locks popular and available for purchase in your geographical area. Do you have a pickset yet?

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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby GWiens2001 » 29 Dec 2016 15:50

Squelchtone wrote:
Foxhound1738 wrote:Would this be a good place to start lock picking or I'm moving to fast?


Um, this thread talks.about how wafer locks are master keyed, so this isnt a good thread to start learning how to pick. Other areas and threads on the forum would be better.

What is your goal? Hobby? To become a locksmith? Where are you from, this will determine the brands of locks popular and available for purchase in your geographical area. Do you have a pickset yet?

Squelchtone


Thought he was referring to types of lock to pick.

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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby Foxhound1738 » 30 Dec 2016 17:12

Great tutorial.
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby Sleutelboertje » 10 Nov 2018 6:30

Thanks for posting! I learn a lot here :mrgreen:
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby Squelchtone » 10 Nov 2018 9:50

Sleutelboertje wrote:Thanks for posting! I learn a lot here :mrgreen:


it is not necessary to reply to old posts to thank the person, unless you are adding new and useful information or answering a long unanswered question in that post.

The other issue is you may be replying and thanking someone who is no longer an active forum member and they will never see your post.

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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby yono » 14 Oct 2020 2:33

I KNOW I WONT BE ENCOUNTERING THIS KIND OF LOCK..(IN MY COUNTRY) but it is a very valuable information. thanks bro.
hi everyone, im glad to be a member of this very interesting community, our community of locksmiths. i hope i could help others, within my ability, and hope you can help me too, God bless us all fellow locksmiths.
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Re: How Master-Keyed Wafer Locks Work

Postby peterwn » 26 Oct 2020 2:41

yono wrote:I KNOW I WONT BE ENCOUNTERING THIS KIND OF LOCK..(IN MY COUNTRY) but it is a very valuable information. thanks bro.

If there are any British made filing cabinets or other office furniture, they may use 'Lowe and Fletcher' or 'Lock Focus' (same thing) wafer locks. The makers of such items frequently order masterkeyed locks for factory and dealer convenience even if the end user does not need masterkeying. Keys numbered 60xxx are part of one common series under a masterkey.
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