Locking a Pelican 1750 and IM3220?

[emt1581]

I've gone back and forth between locks for these cases, specifically the 1750 since it has the metal hasps/shackle holes. Do I want un-pickable (i.e.- Abloy 321 Protec2) or more difficult to forcibly attack (i.e. Abloy 330)...if that'd even fit through the hole? Or do I just order a bunch of serialized zip ties and just go that route to serve as a tamper seal?

We don't travel much so it's not so much about the throwers at the airport or TSA. Possibly would use these for transporting to a vacation/hotel room/etc. or primarily used at the range.

What are your thoughts on the logistics of the choice? While the Protec2 might be the winner in un-pickability, what'd be the toughest to physically attack lock/shackle-wise AND fit through the 1750 and IM3220's holes if not the 330?

Thanks!!

[emt1581]

This is a forum to talk about...locks...right??

[GWiens2001]

What is the diameter of the holes in the cases?

Gordon

[emt1581]

What is the diameter of the holes in the cases?

Gordon

.370

Thanks

[GWiens2001]

It seems awfully strange that they would make it .005" short of 3/8". Limits you to an 8 mm shackle.

I'd drill the hole either very slightly larger (about .010" so you could fit a 3/8" shackle, or roughly .05" larger in diameter and be able to fit a lock with a 10 mm shackle. Either would open up a world of locks that are much more rugged, as well as the variety of locks choices.

Gordon

[emt1581]

It seems awfully strange that they would make it .005" short of 3/8". Limits you to an 8 mm shackle.

I'd drill the hole either very slightly larger (about .010" so you could fit a 3/8" shackle, or roughly .05" larger in diameter and be able to fit a lock with a 10 mm shackle. Either would open up a world of locks that are much more rugged, as well as the variety of locks choices.

Gordon

Just weighing whether pick-proof or harder to physically attack should be the primary concern?

Also, the hasps have steel covering them so, while I guess it's possible to drill them wider, totally defeats the purpose of the construction/reinforcement.

But yes, 8mm does seem to be the limitation.

Abloy 330, PL321 (I'd want the Protec2 version), Abus 88/40 (or 50) plus and Abus 90/50 KA Titanium seem to be the highest quality and toughest/to pick options.

Given what I've shared, tough or unpiackable and which lock would you go with?

Thanks

[GWiens2001]

I'd go more for hardened rather than pick-resistance. As a general rule, crooks don't pick locks. Too much like work to learn the skill. There are exceptions, of course. but very few people know how to pick even a normal lock. But anyone can figure out how to destructively open a weaker lock or container.

Gordon

[petemoss]

So it looks like you have a gun case and are trying to secure it as well as possible. Like Gordon said, it seems like brute force resistance would make more sense in this scenario, as picking a reputable lock is unlikely. However, I wonder at what point the case itself becomes the weak link. I have no experience with this case and so I have no idea how strong it is, but it seems like if you put some massive lock on there and someone is able to smash the case apart without too much trouble, then it may not make much sense to over do the lock itself.

[emt1581]

So it looks like you have a gun case and are trying to secure it as well as possible. Like Gordon said, it seems like brute force resistance would make more sense in this scenario, as picking a reputable lock is unlikely. However, I wonder at what point the case itself becomes the weak link. I have no experience with this case and so I have no idea how strong it is, but it seems like if you put some massive lock on there and someone is able to smash the case apart without too much trouble, then it may not make much sense to over do the lock itself.

I do believe the Pelican Defender series is arguably the toughest gun case (portable) in the world. Then can be driven over with trucks, submerged, etc. and guaranteed for life. But yes, they are plastic, so with a decent reciprocating or similar saw I suppose you could just cut into the plastic but then you risk damaging whatever is in the case.

Right now I've got my selection narrowed down to two specific locks but I am open to suggestions on tougher while staying under the .370 shackle diameter restriction...

Abus Plus 88/50 and Abloy pl330

Not sure which is tougher but both are about the same price.

Also saw a vid about putting nuts and or washers around the exposed portion of the shackle to prevent bolt cutters and discourage/delay angle grinders.

Thanks

[billdeserthills]

Hinge pin attack is likely the easiest way into this case, I would want my case to blend in with other people's--a big showy padlock might tip off the wrong thief

[emt1581]

Hinge pin attack is likely the easiest way into this case, I would want my case to blend in with other people's--a big showy padlock might tip off the wrong thief

Nosir, you would need to drill out the pin because its recessed and sealed completely on one end. Using a spring/pinch wouldn't work.

[emt1581]

Hinge pin attack is likely the easiest way into this case, I would want my case to blend in with other people's--a big showy padlock might tip off the wrong thief

Nosir, you would need to drill out the pin because its recessed and sealed completely on one end. Using a spring/pinch wouldn't work.

...meant spring/punch.

[Squelchtone]

This is a forum to talk about...locks...right??

Did you seriously write this in order to bump your thread because nobody replied to you fast enough? You posted on a Friday evening and believe it or not people have other things to do on their weekend than just answer questions.



Squelchtone

[emt1581]

This is a forum to talk about...locks...right??

Did you seriously write this in order to bump your thread because nobody replied to you fast enough? You posted on a Friday evening and believe it or not people have other things to do on their weekend than just answer questions.



Squelchtone

I gave it a day. And it was still the first or second thread in the forum. So I cant confirm whether it was technically even a bump. But yes, was surprised no one had chimed in. But I do believe the same thing happened years ago.

I chat on a ton of different forums, the "we have better things to do" is a new one though.

[Squelchtone]

This is a forum to talk about...locks...right??

Did you seriously write this in order to bump your thread because nobody replied to you fast enough? You posted on a Friday evening and believe it or not people have other things to do on their weekend than just answer questions.



Squelchtone

I gave it a day. And it was still the first or second thread in the forum. So I cant confirm whether it was technically even a bump. But yes, was surprised no one had chimed in.

As Houdini was fond of saying, patience is the key.