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by boxtool5 » 8 Dec 2020 16:31
Hi, I'm looking for feedback on an "pick & tension wrench" idea I've had for a while. Sorry for the crude drawing, it was quicker and easier than a detailed explanation. As a complete self taught newb, this seems like a good idea for starting out... I'm guessing this would eventually be useless as I learn and get a feel for everything, but I'm still intrigued by the idea, the repeatability & maybe just the visual element of the indents in the wrench spaced to correspond with the pins being manipulated (and depth markings on the pick). I'm guessing this could limit "feel and feedback", though may not eliminate it entirely? 
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by femurat » 8 Dec 2020 17:46
That's not a bad idea at all. In fact reminds me the lishi tools for kik locks. Look it up and let us know if that was what you were trying to explain or if it was something else. Cheers 
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by GWiens2001 » 8 Dec 2020 20:25
Nice idea. The only big concern is that not all locks use the same spacing. So if you are making it for a specific lock, it would be a cool idea. But for generic use, it would be a problem trying to get the pick you made to fit in those notches to work on a lock with different pin spacing.
Good to be thinking outside the box. Keep it up!
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by demux » 9 Dec 2020 10:14
I like the general idea. The only potential issue I see is the way the guide part of the tension wrench protrudes backwards, you may have a bit of difficulty getting the right angle if you have to set one pin really high behind another that sets low toward the back of the cylinder. You may want to have a bit steeper "V" shape at the interface between the pick handle and blade to get around that...
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by stratmando » 9 Dec 2020 10:55
Is a good Idea, The marks on the Pick also helps, Empty plugs help locate the lines.
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by boxtool5 » 9 Dec 2020 12:01
Thanks all, I'll give this a try hopefully sooner rather than later. I am aware of the spacing issue and will plan to make a few wrenches. I came to this hobby out of necessity working for a property manager...~80% of the locks I see are; Weiser, Schlage and Kwikset so even if I had to make a wrench for each it wouldn't be an issue. We have a key cutter and I have a set of depth keys for each. As long as it's a soft enough material, I can cut a prototype wrench as easily as a key. (Though final may be on a lathe with a spot drill to avoid the pick sliding sideways) Hopefully some trig will allow me to work out the depth/angles/arc height so one pick would work on all (or most) pins.... I'll post some pics when I can.
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by nothumbs » 10 Dec 2020 20:15
Made me think of the Sparrow disc detainer pick which has markings for position that seem similar. I wonder if one could come up with a set of sleeves for such a pick based on the spacings for different locks. You might lose some of the 'feel' depending on design. Getting it down to a one piece tool would be interesting. Perhaps something that clamps onto or around a lock that contains a graduated sleeve or tray, and a pick, and some form of tension device, sort of an all-in-one tool. Parts could be interchangeable, so you could use different picks and perhaps different tension tools.
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by boxtool5 » 14 Dec 2020 14:28
Thank you all again, I think I will still try something "simpler" like this soon just to add to my picks & wrenches, Now the feedback has given me a few other ideas to pursue.. Seeing Lishi tools inspired some redesign/improvement on the idea (though now not really my idea anymore). Now I have seen, but have to figure out what a disc detained is and how it works....
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by nothumbs » 14 Dec 2020 14:47
It's a good day when I learn something new.
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by GWiens2001 » 14 Dec 2020 15:12
boxtool5 wrote:Thank you all again, I think I will still try something "simpler" like this soon just to add to my picks & wrenches, Now the feedback has given me a few other ideas to pursue.. Seeing Lishi tools inspired some redesign/improvement on the idea (though now not really my idea anymore). Now I have seen, but have to figure out what a disc detained is and how it works....
I think there are very few completely original ideas that have no part of them that is not at least similar to something the original designer has seen or heard of. Yes, there may well be components that are completely unique to the designer, but overall ideas will likely have sections that resemble something else. So we will likely still recognize your design as being yours.  Gordon
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