Mosler fence position

[Ratvon]

I have a 1908 mosler safe with 4 wheels with a scope i can see the gates in the 6 o'clock position and noted the numbers at the 12 o'clock position. How can i apply this to open the safe? What position is the fence? Is it LRLR. Do I subtract or add left or right?

[Squelchtone]

I have a 1908 mosler safe with 4 wheels with a scope i can see the gates in the 6 o'clock position and noted the numbers at the 12 o'clock position. How can i apply this to open the safe? What position is the fence? Is it LRLR. Do I subtract or add left or right?

I love Mosler safes, but we can't tell you anything useful without seeing a photo of your entire safe, and another photo more close up of the dial and handle next to each other. There were too many different models and variations and locks being mounted sideways or downwards, so a photo will help us give you accurate answers.

Is it 1 door, double door, how many inches is the center of the handle from the center of the dial etc,etc [insert 20 questions here ]


Instructions for sharing photos: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60483&p=445410#p445410

Can't wait to see what you're working with, thanks!
Squelchtone

[stratmando]

Til you get good info. I would get Accurate numbers in line. Write down, then a couple rows of numbers down a page, 2, 4, 6, by 2's to 100. Put your combination where it goes, if it was 10, 20, 30, 40. Write that in the 10 spot, 12 Spot would be 12, 22, 32, 42. Doesn't sound like you are seeing any indication where you are. Likely other side of 6:00 position would add 50, and start with 62,72,82,92. And work away from that spot. Would try Left, Right, Left, Right. The Combination will be different depending wether, you start clockwise or ccw. Without knowg the offset, should take less than 50 tries.
Good Luck
Am sure Better info on its way
Can you feel Contact Points?

[Ratvon]

[Ratvon]

[Ratvon]

If you zoom in you can see a gap between 2 wheels just above the pen tip. I am able to manipulate the scope to find wheels on either side of these 2 where I can see gates when they start and finish.

[Ratvon]

The red line is the end of a bolt that moves with the handle

[Squelchtone]

is your last number at 34 at 12 oclock of the dial when the gate of the wheel closest to the outside of the safe is at 6 oclock?

I'm going to send you a Private Message with some drilling questions we shouldn't discuss in public (look in your messages on the Left blue/white menu)

[stratmando]

Did you get it? If it didn't work, is it possible a wheel is hanging up from drilling?

[stratmando]

Squelchtone, hope all are well, do you know if he got that open? Thanks

[Squelchtone]

Squelchtone, hope all are well, do you know if he got that open? Thanks

We are working via PM on it, no not open yet. I'm sure he'll update the thread once it's done.

[stratmando]

Thanks, was thing if he can see Combo, would just take some Dialing, Good Luck

[Squelchtone]

KUDOS TO SQUELCHTONE!!!!!!!
After about 50 messages he stayed with me to get my 1908 safe open.
Very very smart man THANK YOU!!!!

[Squelchtone]

we are working on restoring some photos of the open safe..

in the mean time here is a picture from the snake camera looking upwards at the lock and lever: You can see 3 of the brass combination wheels on the bottom right side of the image:




Here's a photo from a book that I color coded the various parts to help identify what does what and what to look for through the camera:




a stock photo I found on google image search of pretty much what OPs safe mechanism looks like, again to help with understanding what was being viewed through the video scope:




Dialing order was 4L, 3R, 2L, 1R to 34.

Ratvon did a great job identifying the gates near the lever arm though that gap at 6 oclock and noting where the dial was at the opening index for each gate. Then we worked out the offset needed to align them, and went over dialing order and picking up and parking wheels and changing direction.

This was a fun adventure, glad your safe is open now!
Squelchtone

[mastersmith]

Very well done, both parties! What did the "A Team" dude used to say, "I just love it when a plan comes together!"