WB spacing

[WBcollector1983]

Has anyone on here made up a ring for Wilson Bohannan depth&space keys? I see all others on ebay but none for WB.
Thanks

[just1pick+open]

What series?

[WBcollector1983]

I would like to have a set on the 1071M or the B keyway, both 5 and 6 pin. I know this is not the spot for buying and selling so mods please don'tboot me, if i knew the diameters I could probably make them myself. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I had a set of all of the depths, by smoking all of the keys and running them through a lock, each pin that falls in the right cut on each key should show up different than the rest, thereby telling me pin X marked on key 1 in the 4th position, ect i could make a key for the lock by cutting a key off each of the depth keys. Am I shooting for the moon or would this be a cheaper way than messing up a ton of blanks?

[stratmando]

By your name, think you may have some, and Keys.
With just a couple keys, you should be ae to make few of the depths, they will show spacing, then measure the known depths and should be able to determine the missing depths.
Some one here should have the Depths and Spacing.
Think I have that info somewhere.

[tpark]

I saw many entries for WB, I think some of them are for the small locks, From what I can see, there are two main spacings - long spacing and short spacing. It appears as though 1071B locks use long spacing which starts at 0.194 and increments 0.155 for subsequent cuts.
Depths start at 0.325 for cut 0 and decrement 0.015 for subsequent depths. Deepest cut is 8 at 0.205
It's suggested to use the standard "universal" cutter, so that suggest to me that the root cut isn't exceptionally wide or narrow, I don't know what the exact value is for that though.

Since there's no WB lishi tool to my knowledge, one thing that is helpful is to have a a set of keys which have been shaved down to the various depths, i.i. no ramps at all, just cut straight across. Pick the lock, and try inserting the keys and see how far they go in. For example, if key 7 goes all the way in, but key 6 hangs up, you know there's a pin cut to depth 7, and the pin that prevented the key from being inserted is the pin that is depth 7. If you're lucky, you can figure out a couple of the pins and figure out what the deepest cut is in the lock is. You can't get the exact depth with the pick of course, but if the lock is picked and you know what some of the depths are, you have a good idea of what's going on - for example you could tell if pin 5 is a shallow cut (say 0 or 1) with the pick.

The idea of smoking the blanks and looking for marks is a good one, except you only get marks where the key is binding. If you get no mark, it could be because the pin isn't binding, or it's the correct cut.

I don't like to impression locks because it puts a lot of stress on the lock. I've used the decoding method on a number of padlocks which could be picked, but could not be disassembled.

[stratmando]

.160 Shoulder to first cut. Then .200 spacing. .325 zero cut, and .015 per depth, info from Keypicking.com, tpark.
Good Luck

[WBcollector1983]

Thanks for the info, In regards to impressioning you're right it does put a lot of stress on the lock. I'll work on trying to make a set, and see if i have any luck. I've got my georgia power lock and one marked UGPL with the AR keyway to tackle, I bought a Sohio pipeline bohannan on ebay with the same keyway and ended up trying some old dexter keys I had, 4 pins in on a DE6 it popped the lock open, i had to cut an AR blank down and just copied off of the dexter. Works great. This is just another example of the fun in collecting and having a little knowledge in the mechanics of locks.

[stratmando]

Hey tpark, just noticed your name in post above.
Good work

[tpark]

.160 Shoulder to first cut. Then .200 spacing. .325 zero cut, and .015 per depth, info from Keypicking.com, tpark.
Good Luck

Yes, there could be locks out there like that, it seems like WB has many configurations. The information I posted earlier was for specifically for the 1071B WB entry, 4 pin long. I don't know exactly what kind of lock WBcollector has, so my information could be wrong for his lock.

WBCollector: if you smoke a blank, and find the approximate location of the pins, I should be able to find a match with the WB data that I have. My information comes from Framon genericode, but I have the HPC data around here somewhere.

--Ted

[jeffmoss26]

unless it's a small WB19 style lock, it should be one of these two:

[WBcollector1983]

Ted, i believe the lock is a 621 series, i know it takes the 6pin B keyway its the same padlock as my ohio power one and it has a 6pin key just with the A keyway. Jeff thanks for the info you submitted as well. I tried taking them to a local locksmith but they said that since they couldn't determine if the locks were still in service or not, being from a utility company they couldn't legally make me a key for them. Which is understood you gotta cya legally, i told them I have absolutely no desire to take a key and go fiddling around in Georgia in some substation. I much prefer sitting at home playing with my locks over getting arrested or electrocuted. It's just one of those things, you got a lock hanging up on the wall missing it's key when just about every other one just like it has a key.

[tpark]

My data shows 621/622 with 5 cuts starting at 0.195, and incrementing by 0.155, depth 0 is 0.325 and decrements by 0.015 for subsequent depths.
The 621-6210, 622-660 starts at 0.200 and increments 0.160, depth 1 is 0.315 and decrements by 0.015 for subsequent depths.
6 pin Long Space starts at 0.194 and increments by 0.155 - depths 1 is 0.310 and decrements by 0.015 for subsequent depths.
6 pin Short space starts at 0.164 and increments by 0.135 - depth 1 is 0.310 and decrements by 0.015 for subsequent depths.

I hope this helps you make a key for your locks! I can understand wanting to have a key for your collector locks.

[WBcollector1983]

Thanks for the info tpark, I'll try and get ahold of some more blanks and see if i can make them. If someone could make me up a set I would buy them. Do any of you guys on here impression? I have about 5 WB logo locks I'd like to get keys for. The georgia power, a UGPL, a cin G&E,east ohio gas and a honda safety lockout. It actually has 4172 stamped on the top. None of the others have any numbers unfortunately.

[jeffmoss26]

EOG still in use.

[WBcollector1983]

Ok on EOG still being in use. So through my collecting I got another Bohannan, it's either Dallas power&light, or Dayton power&light. The keyway is the AR 6 pin, 15 keys into my Dexter box and the lock popped right open without binding, just like it's the origional key. My guess is that the D&S for their AR is the same as Dexter because this is not the first time I've encountered this. I'm by far not an expert nor a locksmith, but happening once is coincidence, more than once tells me something matches up. So if anyone else collects WBs and has any with the AR keyway try running some dexter keys through them. You may end up getting lucky, or use the DE6 blank to impression.