One Keyway to Rule them All

[YouLuckyFox]

I have a situation I need help with. The ask: what keyway is available as a camlock, padlock, and leverset and is rekeyable? Tubular has come to mind but rekeying can be defeating. The Olympus 826S and 826LC have been mentioned but I've searched for them and can't seem to find them. Goal is to have as few keys as possible for a system that involves several camlocks, padlocks, and a leverset. IC not required, only 3 users in the system. I have access to MBAUSA, Lockmasters, HLFlake, CLK.

[Squelchtone]

Abloy Protec, from SecuritySnobs.com

[YouLuckyFox]

I'm new to Disc Detainer locks. How easy are they to repin or add a master level to?

[YouLuckyFox]

How about this combo,:

https://www.amazon.com/ABUS-83-45-300-Rekeyable-Zero-Bitted/dp/B000ZHD0FA/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=schlage+padlock&qid=1628804203&sr=8-4

https://www.olympuslock.com/Pages/ProductDetail.html?productList=family&id=11

If I understand right the ABUS is SC1, the Olympus is SC4, that should work right?

[billdeserthills]

How about this combo,:

https://www.amazon.com/ABUS-83-45-300-Rekeyable-Zero-Bitted/dp/B000ZHD0FA/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=schlage+padlock&qid=1628804203&sr=8-4

https://www.olympuslock.com/Pages/ProductDetail.html?productList=family&id=11

If I understand right the ABUS is SC1, the Olympus is SC4, that should work right?

Sure will, as long as you take the 6th pin & top pin out of the SC-4 keyway

[YouLuckyFox]

I think I'll keep the pin in and create a master key system by giving common level users the SC1 and Top level users the SC4. Any issues with that?

[billdeserthills]

I think I'll keep the pin in and create a master key system by giving common level users the SC1 and Top level users the SC4. Any issues with that?

Just be sure the 6th cut isn't a 9, or the tip of the shorter key might work it

[YouLuckyFox]

It's a deal, thanks Bill!

[Evan]

@YouLuckyFox:

You are heading in the wrong direction here.

What environment is this new keying system being installed in ?

There are three users now but how many could there be in the future ?

It is nice to have everything be on one key, but Schlage C should not be that key if this is for a business.

With the locks you propose using any re-keying would literally have to involve the disassembly of every lock in the system

I would look at an SFIC based solution as the locks can be re-keyed without having to take apart each lock from the item it is securing to re-key it later on and you have way more options available when it comes to picking a keyway.

~~ Evan

[stratmando]

Just to add, I think Abus makes a Padlock that accepts Schlage key. Comes with a zero cut key, then dissemble, and key as you like. Schlage with Security pins, and different spring can be tough, good luck.

[YouLuckyFox]

Evan, I'll reach out via PM with details. Your knowledge in master key systems is revered.

[cledry]

SFIC is simplest. Or you could use ASSA and have a combination of regular cylinders and SFIC even LFIC in one system.

[billdeserthills]

@YouLuckyFox:

You are heading in the wrong direction here.

What environment is this new keying system being installed in ?

There are three users now but how many could there be in the future ?

It is nice to have everything be on one key, but Schlage C should not be that key if this is for a business.

With the locks you propose using any re-keying would literally have to involve the disassembly of every lock in the system

I would look at an SFIC based solution as the locks can be re-keyed without having to take apart each lock from the item it is securing to re-key it later on and you have way more options available when it comes to picking a keyway.

~~ Evan

As if no disassembly will be required to rekey an SFIC core,
not to mention the increased cost of using SFIC hardware, higher cost of keys & labor charges for rekeying/installation

[Evan]

As if no disassembly will be required to rekey an SFIC core,
not to mention the increased cost of using SFIC hardware, higher cost of keys & labor charges for rekeying/installation

When you have drawer cabinets that have to be emptied and disassembled to remove the lock that is a lot more work than using a control key on an SFIC. Odds are the OP is not going be the one keying the cores himself, so like most end users of SFIC systems he will not be the one disassembling the cores. You do not want to have to remove the lock from the container to be able to rekey it, installing it once will be enough of a chore.

My concern here is finding a replacement lock which is compatible with the mechanism inside the cabinets. The choice of the lock must first accomplish that task as the others are simple in comparison. I am still researching the situation to see what type of locking mechanism is used in those cabinets.

The second issue is that using Schlage open keyways in a commercial environment is not a good choice for ensuring security. This issue would be dealt with easily by using SFICs as the cores are replaceable meaning new keyways can be used in the existing housing at a future point in time. With the locks being currently discussed you are back to emptying cabinets and replacing the whole lock to accomplish that. The cost of the labor involved in that and the disruption it would cause would likely cover the difference in price of the hardware.

~~ Evan

[billdeserthills]

When I first learned about SFIC & interchangeable cores, I thought, 'what a great idea--this will allow a business to instantly rekey their locks instead of waiting for a locksmith to run over there & do it', but no--that never happens because nobody ever sells the company in question a second set of IC Cores. There are some good reasons for using IC Core but unfortunately most of those are displaced by any company/homeowner wishing to save money on their installation & in my world that would be everyone.

Few people these days can afford to actually keep a thief out of their home or business--not when there is a handy window out back along with rocks conveniently piled around it for said thief to toss through it. In the places I work I like to consider the sad fact that under those circumstances there is little reason to bother spending twice as much on IC Core/high security hardware, although I do keep a small amount in stock but it rarely gets used because it does cost more $$$


Far as emptying drawers goes it has only very rarely happened to me & most often on file cabinets & I can't recall even one time when it became such a chore to empty that I felt I had to charge extra for my 'wasted time' but even if I had that cost would still show IC Cores to be mostly over rated and def overpriced when compared to conventional hardware