Atlas In-Floor Safe

[sign216]

I picked up this Atlas in-floor safe, unknown combo. Has a La Gard lock, and dial appears marked "Intersec." Someone has been into the lock body before, and marred the screws. Before I go in, any precautions I should know?
What's the purpose of the spring loaded bolt + rectangle (green arrow). Will the back lid come off, with the retaining piece (red arrow)?
Joe

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[MartinHewitt]

You can find out the combination in a lengthy process by looking into the change key hole. Much easier is it to open the lock case and either found out the current combination by turning the dial and looking when a gate is located correctly, or by moving all wheels to where they should be to change the combo and then reattaching the cover and changing the combo.

The green arrow thing is a relocker. You will probably fine if you do what the red piece does, i.e. hold the green piece. Press it down with your thumb or wedge in somewhere a screw driver. Just be careful and assemble it like before. If the green piece gets free and slips under the lock then it might be enough to fish it out or it might be necessary to remove the lock and do some things. I don't know this relocker, so I can't say what needs to be done.

In any case: Do at least do three full open/close cycles before closing the safe.

[sign216]

Thanks MartinH,

A relocker, eh? Thank you. So if the lock body is forced out, the spring turns the rectangle plate against an actuating bar, jamming it.

I'll remove the lock's back cover, and devise the combo. I'll try to do it without disturbing the relocker. With your info it looks straightforward.

I'll post my success or problems, and thanks for the guidance.

Joe

[sign216]

I opened it up, and figured out the combo. Now...what's the best way to get to the key cylinder to put in a new one?

If I remove the spline key will the dial be free to come out?


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[MartinHewitt]

If you have the combo, then put everything back together, get a change key and follow these instruction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9RdcTqHl-w

Yes, you can thread the dial out if you remove the small spline key, but it should really be done only when there is a reason to remove the dial. The spline key gets usually a bit damaged when pulled out. Often it is not a problem, but it can sit next time loose and then fall out after a time or the head can rip of. A professional should not reuse a spline key. But if you want to see how everything works, then you have of course a good reason to pull the spline key.

[sign216]

MartinH,

I don't want to change the combo, I want to change the keyed cylinder in the dial. (see the picture in the original posting).

[MartinHewitt]

To remove this you will probably need to remove the dial, yes. I don't have a modern dial with wafer lock, but from the dial without lock it is probably fastened with a clip on the backside.

PS: To remove the spline key I try to squeeze a thin flat-head screw driver under the head to wiggle the key out by carefully turning the screw driver.

PPS: If you wanted to ask about the wire inside the lock: Relocker.

[sign216]

Does removing the spline key release the spline + the dial?

Or is the clip underneath the lock body, and I remove that to get at it.

[MartinHewitt]

All it needs is the spline key. Remove it and you can unscrew the dial from the drive cam.

[sign216]

All it needs is the spline key. Remove it and you can unscrew the dial from the drive cam.

Thank you, let me see how that goes.

Joe

[billdeserthills]

Once the spline key is removed, unscrew the dial--turn the dial over & you'll see a small brass retainer holding the lock cylinder into the dial. I like to depress the retainer with an ice pick & push out the cylinder, once it's in your hand you can insert a blank & note where to cut it or swap a couple of different wafers & rekey the lock

[sign216]

Thanks Bill,
Right now I'm checking local locksmiths for a replacement cylinder and/or key blank. Sadly, covid has reduced their hours, so it's not as easy as it used to be.

I'll keep the group posted w my progress.
Joe

[MartinHewitt]

Before doing all the work think about if a working lock in the dial will benefit your use of the safe. Compared to the combination lock, the dial lock is easy to pick and not protected well against force, but it is also very easy to lock and unlock. I think the best use case is where the safe is accessed multiple times a day and in this period it is left alone only for a very short time. Then the dial lock can be used as a convenient feature to prevent unauthorized access to the content.

[billdeserthills]

Thanks Bill,
Right now I'm checking local locksmiths for a replacement cylinder and/or key blank. Sadly, covid has reduced their hours, so it's not as easy as it used to be.

I'll keep the group posted w my progress.
Joe

Hudson makes them
https://www.lockmasters.com/hudson-cyli ... lag1783035

[sign216]

Bill,
I checked Hudson/Lockmaster and MBA Usa, but no matches. This cylinder is different; it is threaded on the end, and secured w a nut.
The lock is La Gard, but current La Gard don't seem to have the threaded end option. So it's no longer in production?

Perhaps my best bet is to find a locksmith w a key blank that fits, and have him cut it to fit.
Your thoughts?
Joe



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