Victor safe, Right first or left?

[hooterspfld]

So I got a new to me Victor safe. Trying to get into it, but not having any luck. Tried 100 combo set someone else posted, but I'm frustrated because I'm not sure the R4 L3 R2 L1 is even the right method. Haven't seen any videos of a correct entering featuring this lock. I'm posting on youtube so hopefully anyone that might be able to help, can see what I'm doing. Here's my attempt on 100 "factory codes".

[MartinHewitt]

The dialing direction of this safe is the standard 4L-3R-2L-R. There are lots of videos on YT showing how to do it, e.g. about the 6730. I don't know of anybody who has verified the list to be correct. Maybe I will some day find a lock to do this.

[femurat]

Where's the list? I may check it out.

Cheers

[MartinHewitt]

They are in the HPC manual on pages 98 and 99 and I think I Squelch has posted them here too. They are 4-number combinations, which is strange for a 3-wheel lock and the instruction is R-L-R-L. Maybe on the standard locks only 3 of the 4 numbers are used?

[hooterspfld]

Yeah I got the list from a previous post from Squelch, but here it is:

R4 - L3 - R2 - L1 - then try the handle

0 - 12 - 82 - 92
1 - 13 - 83 - 93
2 - 14 - 84 - 94
3 - 15 - 85 - 95
4 - 16 - 86 - 96
5 - 17 - 87 - 97
6 - 18 - 88 - 98
7 - 19 - 89 - 99
8 - 20 - 90 - 0
9 - 21 - 91 - 1
10 - 22 - 92 - 2
11 - 23 - 93 - 3
12 - 24 - 94 - 4
13 - 25 - 95 - 5
14 - 26 - 96 - 6
15 - 27 - 97 - 7
16 - 28 - 98 - 8
17 - 29 - 99 - 9
18 - 30 - 0 - 10
19 - 31 - 1 - 11
20 - 32 - 2 - 12
21 - 33 - 3 - 13
22 - 34 - 4 - 14
23 - 35 - 5 - 15
24 - 36 - 6 - 16
25 - 37 - 7 - 17
26 - 38 - 8 - 18
27 - 39 - 9 - 19
28 - 40 - 10 - 20
29 - 41 - 11 - 21
30 - 42 - 12 - 22
31 - 43 - 13 - 23
32 - 44 - 14 - 24
33 - 45 - 15 - 25
34 - 46 - 16 - 26
35 - 47 - 17 - 27
36 - 48 - 18 - 28
37 - 49 - 19 - 29
38 - 50 - 20 - 30
39 - 51 - 21 - 31
40 - 52 - 22 - 32
41 - 53 - 23 - 33
42 - 54 - 24 - 34
43 - 55 - 25 - 35
44 - 56 - 26 - 36
45 - 57 - 27 - 37
46 - 58 - 28 - 38
47 - 59 - 29 - 39
48 - 60 - 30 - 40
49 - 61 - 31 - 41
50 - 62 - 32 – 42
51 - 63 - 33 - 43
52 - 64 - 34 - 44
53 - 65 - 35 - 45
54 - 66 - 36 - 46
55 - 67 - 37 - 47
56 - 68 - 38 - 48
57 - 69 - 39 - 49
58 - 70 - 40 - 50
59 - 71 - 41 - 51
60 - 72 - 42 - 52
61 - 73 - 43 - 53
62 - 74 - 44 - 54
63 - 75 - 45 - 55
64 - 76 - 46 - 56
65 - 77 - 47 - 57
66 - 78 - 48 - 58
67 - 79 - 49 - 59
68 - 80 - 50 - 60
69 - 81 - 51 - 61
70 - 82 - 52 - 62
71 - 83 - 53 - 63
72 - 84 - 54 - 64
73 - 85 - 55 - 65
74 - 86 - 56 - 66
75 - 87 - 57 - 67
76 - 88 - 58 - 68
77 - 89 - 59 - 69
78 - 90 - 60 - 70
79 - 91 - 61 - 71
80 - 92 - 62 - 72
81 - 93 - 63 - 73
82 - 94 - 64 - 74
83 - 95 - 65 - 75
84 - 96 - 66 - 76
85 - 97 - 67 - 77
86 - 98 - 68 - 78
87 - 99 - 69 - 79
88 - 0 - 70 - 80
89 - 1 - 71 - 81
90 - 2 - 72 - 82
91 - 3 - 73 - 83
92 - 4 - 74 - 84
93 - 5 - 75 - 85
94 - 6 - 76 - 86
95 - 7 - 77 - 87
96 - 8 - 78 - 88
97 - 9 - 79 - 89
98 - 10 - 80 - 90
99 - 11 - 81 - 91

[billdeserthills]

I don't think you're supposed to post those combo's here

[Squelchtone]

I don't think you're supposed to post those combo's here

I hear your concern and saw the details of what you reported, but for a 120 year old safe, I don't think it's a big security risk.. besides, the combinations are from a questionable 1990's Loompanics book about safe cracking, who knows where the author got the info, could have just made them up..

Here's where I posted the list 4 years ago: [UPDATE 01/05/2022: The combinations in these posts are probably not correct at all, and the dialing direction of RLRL is also not correct, as most folks seem to agree that these safes were dialed LRLR -Squelchtone] https://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=64581&start=15#p481834

Squelchtone

[femurat]

Thank you both for finding the list for me.
It's just a series of numbers that may open a specific safe. Quite useless for all the others, IMHO.

Good luck

[bitbuster]

Dave McOmie said in a publication of one of his quarterly jottings in The National Safeman that those Victor try-out combos in the HPC Safe and Vault Manual are ass backwards. Those combos start with a Right turn of the dial which is opposite of the proper 1st turn to the LEFT. 4L-3R-2L-1R to stop.

[hooterspfld]

Thanks Bitbuster. Well I'm going to try and narrow that down for sure, I messaged 6 people with the exact same safe on ebay, and asked them what the correct way to enter the combo is. Hopefully I hear back from one of them. I'll post what I hear back.

[MartinHewitt]

The normal operation of this lock is like described in the first 2 minutes here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzOsGD0aeo

In case it has just 2 code wheels, which I think is not that common, the first 4 times left is omitted and only the last two numbers are dialled for an open.

[MartinHewitt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMsot1MwUqc

[hooterspfld]

Thanks Martin,

That goes in line with what I've heard back. Two people responded and confirmed Left first. Thanks for the link, btw.

[Squelchtone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMsot1MwUqc

Great video! I just found the same exact one before seeing your reply was already here!

Thanks!
Squelchtone

[MartinHewitt]

Great video! I just found the same exact one before seeing your reply was already here!

Great things are often discovered by multiple people at the same time.