Help with in-floor safe identification

[BlueLock]

I am about to overhaul another in-floor safe similar to this Major door from one of my prior posts and would appreciate if anyone knows who actually made this. I am of course doing my homework before cracking it open to give it a thorough clean. It is a bit gritty and hangs up a little in a few places. Best to do now before it gets worse. To help better identify what this is, I first tried to reach out to the company on the top nameplate but they are apparently long since out of business. Also reached out to Amsec and provided the barely readable S/N on the bottom, and they say it isn't their serial number. That seemed rather odd, especially since it clearly says "T625" on the top, which is an Amsec in-floor tube safe part number.

From the top, this safe door is nearly identical to the Major:


Side view of the door:



Bottom of the door appears to have a S&G keyway to change the combo, not the round hole found on my Major door:


However, dialing the combo to the normal "change" position does not allow a S&G change key to enter.


Always nice to know what you are getting into before you get there...

[Squelchtone]

it's a Major Model T625 lift out safe head with a rebranded label which makes sure you call that particular lock and safe shop for service.

https://www.icollector.com/MAJOR-SAFE-CO-FLOOR-TUBE-STYLE-LID-HANDLE_i23668268

[BlueLock]

Thanks Squelchtone, that is what I was thinking. I had figured it would be the same, or similar enough to the one I overhauled a few years back. But, the different keyhole threw me a bit. For what it's worth, the Major door in my other post is currently the loaner while this one is being cleaned

I will crack it open and see where this goes...

[BlueLock]

Well... Not what I expected to see. Explains why the change key would not go in as expected...

It is a hand change wheelpack.



And it is really gunky. At least it is not hard varnish. But the black abrasive paste on the wheels does not look fantastic. Nor does the "fuzzy wad" on the fence spring post.

[billdeserthills]

Could be lithium grease, over time it turns into paste

[BlueLock]

Could be lithium grease, over time it turns into paste

Could have been. Not entirely sure. It was not pasty so much as embedded with really fine grit. Felt a bit abrasive, actually. Cleaned it all off thoroughly, especially that brownish guck around the bolts. The thick parts were gooey and the thinner parts were getting a bit hard. Used Super Lube as recommended in other threads very sparingly and it is working well.

There was another interesting find in there that made the wonder if the wheelpack was a retrofit of some kind. I will post some pictures and once I crop them.

[BlueLock]

Finally made some time to crop a few pix for pondering...

So, the back of this door has a keyhole. Looks like a standard S&G keyhole.


But, as we know from my other thread about this door, there is no way to use a key to change this combo because they are hand-change/matrix wheels.

Looking at the cam/bolt plate, there is the reinforced triangular ring attached to the plate at 3 points. The wheelpack carriage sits nicely inside this added steel "ring."

(Much prettier now, eh?)


I originally thought this ring was for reinforcement, but after removing the groove pins to clean underneath, I flipped the cam/bolt plate over... Interesting...

...the actual plate has the large square notches in it.



And those notches look to be the exact size for my Major wheelpack that does use a key. Here is a similar view of my Major door.


Several notable differences between the Old Frankensafe and my newer model Major door.