Locked the pins in cylinder

[Squelchtone]

Having been away for a time for various reasons I started picking again. I have managed to jam the cylinder by (I believe)
rotating a half turn and then taking the tension bar out instead of a full rotation, so the cylinder is locked in this position.
Question..How do I recover from this?

https://imgur.com/qxjw0Jc


https://i.imgur.com/qxjw0Jc.jpeg

[GWiens2001]

Use a pick that has a flat back all the way to the tip to press the driver pins all the way up. They have fallen into the bottom of the keyway. Normally, the spine of the key prevents this from happening. However, since the key is not being used, we improvise.

Gordon

[scudo]

Nope that is not working even when I try with just a pick on individual pins there is no movement in any of the pins although the cylinder does rotate about an eighth, I am thinking a bent pin has locked it somehow.

[Raymond]

1. Does the cylinder have plugs on the bottom from which the spring chambers were drilled, or does the top of the cylinder have a flat plate covering the spring holes. Can you give us a photo or brand to think with?
2. The note that the plug turns about 1/8 signals that you might have a spool turned. If so, straighten the plug and all top pins should be free again. Use GWiens suggestion but more carefully so that you get all the top pins up at the same time.

[GWiens2001]

I am not referring to the key pins that you normally manipulate to pick the lock in the first place. I am referring to the driver pins, which are pressed into the bottom of the keyway when the plug is turned 180 degrees. You do not do this one pin at a time. All the driver pins must be pushed back into the bible at the same time.

Gordon

[scudo]

I think I now know the issue, so will get back later today with some images.
Not looking good

[scudo]

You can see from the image that a spring is showing, is this now a case of trying to remove the plug?

[stratmando]

May not fully understand, but I would turn cylinder 180°, strike sharply to get pins back in place, All else, use a shim from the back, to remove plug, Spring Binding?

[scudo]

May not fully understand, but I would turn cylinder 180°, strike sharply to get pins back in place, All else, use a shim from the back, to remove plug, Spring Binding?

I cant turn the cylinder 180 unless it is forced it is locked with only about eighth revolution. I think I am going to have to attempt removing the plug....not looking forward to that but nothing to lose at this stage.

[GWiens2001]

Ahh. Either the driver pin or key pin was not installed in that location, making the remaining pin sit below the shear line, causing the spring to be mangled, which also binds the plug. Sometimes if the key pin and driver pin combined are too short, you can get the same effect.

Can you pull the caps at the top of the pin channels? If so, you can remove the remaining pins and springs to reduce chance of further damage. Getting that spring out will be difficult. Possibly using pliers to pull the spring, hoping to cause it to string out of the gap might work.

The lock will never work as well as it used to. But you can make a good practice lock.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

You can see from the image that a spring is showing, is this now a case of trying to remove the plug?

https://imgur.com/YSHROmQ

scudo, the way you are linking to photos that are uploaded to imgur is not going to work correctly to show them to us.

The [image] command expects the actual path to the photo that is embedded in the imgur.com web site you are linking to, the [image] command cannot display an entire web site.

While on the imgur.com website, Right Click the photo you wish to share with us, and choose 'Copy Image Address", now, Paste it here and surround it with the [image] command and it will display correctly here.

https://i.imgur.com/YSHROmQ.jpg


Squelchtone

[scudo]

scudo, the way you are linking to photos that are uploaded to imgur is not going to work correctly to show them to us.

Sorry about that I did try following the instructions but couldn't quite understand them, If posting further images I will go back to the instructions and try again.

[scudo]

OK I hope the image is correct this time.

Anyhow I managed to get the spring out , it took me about an hour slowly bit by bit, and the key also works the lock now.
It helped with a torch at the back end which allowed me to see all the way through the keyway and see (with difficulty) the mangled spring.

[Squelchtone]

Your photo worked great, and I can still remember when I was staring out and sending lots of time pulling springs out of keyways. I suppose it's one of those things you just have to experience in order not to have it happen again.

Nice job,
Squelchtone

[GWiens2001]

Your photo worked great, and I can still remember when I was staring out and sending lots of time pulling springs out of keyways. I suppose it's one of those things you just have to experience in order not to have it happen again.

Nice job,
Squelchtone

+1

Congrats on getting the spring out. The shear line between the mortise cylinder housing and the plug will be marred, but still perfectly serviceable for a practice lock.

Gordon