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by GWiens2001 » 27 Dec 2021 17:35
prevariikation wrote:Used Gordon's tutorial on Wise locks to open this one  , which my friend bought for me in broken condition. Innermost spring is broken, but the lock has a flat enough bitting that the grime holds the key pin in place well enough. 
Those are interesting locks. Kind of fun to think that Wise Lock has pin-in-pin-in pin 40 years before Mul-T-Lock became famous for it's "creation" of the pin-in-pin lock. Gordon
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by prevariikation » 28 Dec 2021 11:05
It's wild how the single pin stack means it has a definite binding order from outer to inner! I've been searching fruitlessly for earrings that are also functional locks, and this design might be the easiest for me to fabricate for a specifically pin tumbler design. (Since the earrings are just for me I feel OK with the ethics of an exact re-creation  )
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by GWiens2001 » 31 Dec 2021 21:17
prevariikation wrote:It's wild how the single pin stack means it has a definite binding order from outer to inner! I've been searching fruitlessly for earrings that are also functional locks, and this design might be the easiest for me to fabricate for a specifically pin tumbler design. (Since the earrings are just for me I feel OK with the ethics of an exact re-creation  )
Try to find a Master No. 9 or No. 10 padlock. A couple of them would work admirably for a set of earrings. Gordon
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by [serious] » 5 Jan 2022 23:21
Warm-up: Brinks 161 brass padlock Brinks 45mm laminated steel padlock Master Lock 575
Main run: Penn mortise cylinder Segal Rim cylinder Segal Rim cylinder Corbin mortise cylinder
Pushing myself: Corbin Rim cylinder
You may be asking why one Corbin is a main run and one is a challenge, the answer is one of them has a much more challenging bitting and binding order. This was my 4th successful pick on it since I got it, with dozens of failed attempts.
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by Southerneditor » 6 Mar 2022 17:14
Here's a vintage Lustre Line padlock that came with a mixed lot I sourced from eBay. As it's a smallish lock, it needed a TOK torsion wrench, and the pins were sticky from disuse. Even though on the scale of things this one rates as a fairly simple lock to open, the feeling of accomplishment when the cylinder starts turning never gets old. 
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by GWiens2001 » 6 Mar 2022 21:13
Southerneditor wrote:Here's a vintage Lustre Line padlock that came with a mixed lot I sourced from eBay. As it's a smallish lock, it needed a TOK torsion wrench, and the pins were sticky from disuse. Even though on the scale of things this one rates as a fairly simple lock to open, the feeling of accomplishment when the cylinder starts turning never gets old. 
Well done, Southerneditor. And yes, it never gets old.  Gordon
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by RubberBanned » 7 Mar 2022 17:05
Several Schlage FSIC construction cores that weren't keyed to a construction key. While not very hard usually, these were all mounted in levers and I had to pick them horizontally.
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by GWiens2001 » 7 Mar 2022 20:31
RubberBanned wrote:Several Schlage FSIC construction cores that weren't keyed to a construction key. While not very hard usually, these were all mounted in levers and I had to pick them horizontally.
So you could just lay down and pick them in the normal orientation, right? It can be tricky if you are not used to picking the locks with the pins horizontally. I have never practiced that way, but now that you mention it, I should. You absolutely come across them mounted that way in the wild. Gordon
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by Pickit Fence » 9 Apr 2022 7:14
I've managed to pick a Delaney 5 pin lock with a Kwikset keyway.
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by CanoePick » 14 Apr 2022 21:38
This lock was a pain, spring tension was insane. I don’t even know how many times I’ve picked it but it didn’t turn. Herculock (Hercules Industries) 800 series all brass stamped FP&L on the back so clearly an utility lock. Love the all brass look! Any idea on the keyway? I’ve gone through the entire Ilco catalog for North America and found nothing. Not even close. Anyone know of a way to gut it? I’d love to repin it for me. Sorry about the resolution. It looks great in my camera. Upload got me.   
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by peterwn » 15 Apr 2022 4:23
CanoePick wrote:This lock was a pain, spring tension was insane. I don’t even know how many times I’ve picked it but it didn’t turn.
Herculock (Hercules Industries) 800 series all brass stamped FP&L on the back so clearly an utility lock. Love the all brass look!
Any idea on the keyway? I’ve gone through the entire Ilco catalog for North America and found nothing. Not even close. Anyone know of a way to gut it? I’d love to repin it for me.
Herculock may have its own keyway limited to utility keyed alike padlocks. There would be so little demand for blanks outside its customer base that the after market blank manufacturers would not bother. Herculock seems to be a direct competitor to WB (Wilson Bonhannan) who also makes padlocks for utilities. WB has been around for 160 years compared with Herculock's 50 years. Extruded brass padlock cases may drilled for the plug, shackle holes, bolt hole, pin tumblers holes and retaining pin holes (to retain plug and shackle). Holes are plugged after assembly and case burnished so plugs are not visible. These plugs would need to be drilled out to gut padlock and replaced possibly with hand made ones. Since the intended users would not bother to re-key such padlocks, this would be no disadvantage. Some manufacturers of such padlocks sell 'loose pin' versions with blank keys and level '9' pins so a locksmith can key them to customer requirements.
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by jeffmoss26 » 16 Apr 2022 7:55
FP&L uses a Best L keyway
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by CanoePick » 21 Apr 2022 11:27
Thank you guys for the help!
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by peterwn » 23 Apr 2022 2:53
jeffmoss26 wrote:FP&L uses a Best L keyway
So that implies that the utility used to purchase BEST or other IC padlocks which were keyed alike for substations, cabinets, pole switches, etc. But it is unlikely that the cores would ever be changed with these padlocks. So some bright spark probably recognised that it would be cheaper to purchase conventional padlocks keyed to the existing utility IC type key. Local power utility used to use Union (UK) keyed alike nightlatches and Lockwood (C4 keyway - keyed alike) padlocks. Then the prices of the nightlatches became ridiculously high and delivery times unbearable. Solution was to purchase nightlatches keyed to the padlock key - problem solved.
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by prevariikation » 25 Jun 2022 18:38
The recent questions about Gougler locks prompted me to break out the last four undecoded ones and get combos. Tough to see inside but thankfully just a sliver of visibility was enough to get them all open. 
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