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Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

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Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby prevariikation » 8 May 2022 21:11

Someone brought their fire safe with unknown combination to my locksport meetup, and I was excited to give opening a try since it would be my first ever successful opening :)

My guide was Mikeh727's Sentry Safe manipulation on Keypicking, so I copied the setup as best I could:
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I wouldn't recommend packing tape, but it was stable enough here.
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I wish I'd looked at the operating range before labeling, I only ended up using the range between 1 and 2.
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A Kwikset SmartKey tool is a pretty good stylus.
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I started working with the following info:

  • By counting wheel pickups, this wheel pack has only 3 wheels, and manuals suggested 3-wheel models have LRL combos.
  • The third wheel is designed to deter decoding and is shaped like a gear (as seen in Sparkfun's autodialer video). It has 12 evenly-spaced gates, and from previous experience, the true gate isn't necessarily the widest one.
  • Tolerances on my previous safes were ±2, so I graphed every two marks to try and preserve accuracy.
  • The handle was very mushy when applying force, but based on Mikeh's experience I hoped that careful hand pressure would be sufficient.
I attempted to find W3's true gate by running AWL to 0, moving the dial R into the middle of each gate on W3, applying extreme pressure to the handle, and rotating the dial to see if I could feel binding. This excluded a few gates but was overall inconclusive. I ended up with the most likely candidates being 73, 23 and 98. (Spoiler: it was none of these.)

In the first round of graphs, I started with AWL and W3@73. There was a lot of jitter but 21 stood out, and I made two graphs assuming 21 as either W1 or W2. These mostly didn't go as deep as the first graph, so despite seeing something at L21, R25, L73, I moved on to graphing AWL with W3 at 23 and 98 to explore the possibilities.
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AWL and W3@98 had deeper marks, which seemed positive, and gave another clear indicator around 21. But I'd already tried 21 as W1 and W2, right? Actually, no! I messed up when I tried W2@21, because I didn't correct for the non-movable posts, and the drop at L21, R25, L73 in graph #3 was that correction: W2@21 is actually W2@25 when moving right.
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In the last graph, it seemed like there was a solid gate signature for W1@36, but no open... feeling frustrated, I just decided to run the gamut of W3 positions, in case I had somehow graphed through a false gate. And by luck, that was it!

After 3.5 hours, open!! L36, 25, 82. Nothing exciting inside, just don't want to risk it :P
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby GWiens2001 » 8 May 2022 22:47

Well done!

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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby billdeserthills » 9 May 2022 2:38

Nice but at 3 1/2 hours I still prefer to pay Sentry the $55 for combo retrieval
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby prevariikation » 9 May 2022 9:39

Thank you folks! It was a lot of fun. And surprisingly, if I consider my normal hourly wage, doing it ourselves saved us exactly $2.50 compared to having Sentry recover the code. So maybe I'll pick up a small tub of ice cream to even it out :wink:
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby MartinHewitt » 9 May 2022 12:29

An open safe, fun and an ice cream sounds very good!
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby GWiens2001 » 9 May 2022 21:45

prevariikation wrote:Thank you folks! It was a lot of fun. And surprisingly, if I consider my normal hourly wage, doing it ourselves saved us exactly $2.50 compared to having Sentry recover the code. So maybe I'll pick up a small tub of ice cream to even it out :wink:


Everything is better with ice cream! :mrgreen:

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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby prevariikation » 14 May 2022 18:04

Grabbed another Sentry Safe to try, this one a model S0407 with a lost key and combo. A tubular lockpick made quick work of the plunger lock and manipulation was much more straightforward this time, an hour including setup.
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I didn't get photos of the rig, but I rubber-banded a laser pointer to the handle and projected onto a measuring grid about 5 feet away, greatly magnifying changes. The false gates were pretty wide so I opted for graphing every 2.5 increments. Got lucky on W1 and just stepped through possible gates on W3 since it was possible to graph through false gates on W3 this time too.
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For those wondering, the plunger lock doesn't interface with the dial at all, just blocks the bolts on the opposite side from retracting.
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(This is old hat, I know, but if anyone's searching for details on this safe, well, here they are.)
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby Squelchtone » 14 May 2022 22:51

prevariikation wrote:(This is old hat, I know, but if anyone's searching for details on this safe, well, here they are.)


We all start somewhere and opening a safe is still a thrill and a challenge. Don't sell yourself short, nice job opening it!

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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby prevariikation » 15 May 2022 10:46

Thanks for the encouragement :mrgreen: I'm finding it super addicting and I have my eyes out for a starter group 2 lock!
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby femurat » 15 May 2022 11:24

Congratulations on the opening!
It doesn't matter if it's a simple and cheap safe, you did a great job.

Cheers :)
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby stratmando » 19 May 2022 8:30

Thought I saw Laser Pointer somewhere in this post, can't find now. Or maybe just thinking it.
Either way, was thinking to Hot Melt glue a laser pointer
to the dial, the with a Graph on the Wall would greatly amplify the readings.
Maybe I read somewhere on an earlier post from another Member?
Good Job, a 2730 would be a good next one.
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby prevariikation » 19 May 2022 10:47

For the second one, I did mount a laser pointer ad-hoc using rubber bands, but I didn't get a photo of it. I think hot glue would have been a steadier mount overall :) My dream rig is Oldfast's setup. It's sooo good, and later in the thread he uses mirrors to bounce the beam back and get an incredible amount of distance.

I have a mount coming for a La Gard 1548, which I'm excited about! It sounds like an OK beginner's lock.
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Re: Sentry Safe MS0100 manipulated open

Postby stratmando » 20 May 2022 8:44

prevariikation wrote:For the second one, I did mount a laser pointer ad-hoc using rubber bands, but I didn't get a photo of it. I think hot glue would have been a steadier mount overall :) My dream rig is Oldfast's setup. It's sooo good, and later in the thread he uses mirrors to bounce the beam back and get an incredible amount of distance.

I have a mount coming for a La Gard 1548, which I'm excited about! It sounds like an OK beginner's lock.


Before seeing your reply, though to use a mirror as well to bounce the beam back to in front of me With Stiff cardboard at a 45 degree to see contact points.
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